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Post by strawberrysweetie on Jun 25, 2009 17:34:40 GMT -5
Farrah Fawcett AND MICHAEL JACKSON....both died today....
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Post by Naptaq on Jun 25, 2009 17:43:51 GMT -5
When it's time to go, it's time to go.
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Post by Knox on Jun 25, 2009 18:37:54 GMT -5
and Ed McMahon earlier this week... been a bad couple of days..
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Post by arizona on Jun 25, 2009 19:45:08 GMT -5
Bad news always comes in threes.....
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Post by strawberrysweetie on Jun 26, 2009 2:18:04 GMT -5
and Ed McMahon earlier this week... been a bad couple of days.. Bad news always comes in threes..... omg...that's true! When it's time to go, it's time to go. Hearing about deaths never affect you in any way? Not shocking in the least bit, not even 50-yr-old MJ? You must be a well-rested man. I often find it sad to hear of deaths. Dead. Gone. Their lives are over forever...all that are left are memories of who they once were and what they did. Even through all of Michael Jackson's controversy, the bad things he may have done, he was a very troubled man. I wonder if he ever felt any peace. I heard Thriller on the radio tonight while driving home, and I think that's probably the first time the song made me feel worse. And Farrah...I honestly didn't even know about the cancer until a couple of days ago, since I really don't like to hear about celebrity news anymore. But to think of all the images/memories of herself she left behind...from a time when she was young and vibrant...to see how she deteriorated....is just....I don't know...weird. Scary. As for Ed McMahon, I suppose his death wasn't as much as a shock to me considering his age...but it is still sad. And to think....is this all there is? Or is there more beyond this life? In the end, what is the point? I hate when my mind fixates on such thinking, since there's never an answer. Alright...I'll stop with my emo BS. I've got to stop being depressed... I've a feeling I'm going to regret posting this.
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Post by Naptaq on Jun 26, 2009 6:27:33 GMT -5
When it's time to go, it's time to go. Hearing about deaths never affect you in any way? Not shocking in the least bit, not even 50-yr-old MJ? I'm rarely shocked by deaths. Everybody dies. Maybe, but I don't think this has anything to do with it. I bet some people read the obituary in the newspaper and feel bad about it. I think that's a waste of time. Well if near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences are true (I've experienced neither) then it's impossible to die. I've read a book called Embraced by the Light and it's like a very encouraging NDE account for anyone who's interested. Anyway, there's a law in physics that says that 'Energy cannot be created or destroyed'. And since we're made of energy, the law that 'Life cannot be created or destroyed' sounds very possible.
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Post by shycwgirl on Jun 26, 2009 16:39:00 GMT -5
i saw that on the news yesterday then abc had two specials one after the other for cheryl ladd and michael jackson. so sad. she was fighting cancer. he had the heart attack or failure. he wasnt very old either.
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Post by splattice on Jun 27, 2009 14:08:18 GMT -5
Anyway, there's a law in physics that says that 'Energy cannot be created or destroyed'. And since we're made of energy, the law that 'Life cannot be created or destroyed' sounds very possible. True, there is such a law and we are made of energy by the mass-energy equivalence, due to Einstein. However, what happens to humans and all living creatures after death is biochemical decay which does not violate energy conservation. At the atomic level, there is no difference between us and the mess we leave behind. Many philosophies claim that one's consciousness (the chitter-chatter between the ears) survives in some form but this would have to be in an unnatural environment, that is, not in this universe. Is this Heaven? Is this Hell? Something else? And to think....is this all there is? Or is there more beyond this life? In the end, what is the point? I hate when my mind fixates on such thinking, since there's never an answer. There is an answer. We won't find out until after we die.
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Post by Naptaq on Jun 27, 2009 16:13:10 GMT -5
At the atomic level, there is no difference between us and the mess we leave behind. At the energy level that's not the case. The chinese call it Qi energy. Where's that gone? Somewhere. OBE's indicate that the you is basiclly this spirit hovering in the air and the body is there on the bed. It's tough to say how true this is.. I'd have to experience it. Another indicator of the fact of interesting phenomena is intuition. For a materialistic view of the world, it's illogical. Purgatory. ;D Choose Heaven or Hell. Take your pick. That's what I always say. See you on the other side baby! I'll greet you.
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Post by Stranger on Jun 27, 2009 18:30:05 GMT -5
I'm rarely shocked by deaths. Everybody dies. I think that's a pretty cavalier attitude. It's sad whenever someone who has brought happiness to so many people over so much time comes to an end. Yeah, it's inevitable, and in some cases not surprising, but still very sad.
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Post by splattice on Jun 28, 2009 4:21:30 GMT -5
At the energy level that's not the case. The chinese call it Qi energy. Where's that gone? Somewhere. Clearly, such energy must be unphysical. Hence, the physical laws do not apply. OBEs imply that it's possible for one's spirit to exist in this universe without one's body. If that is so and considering the restrictions of our physical forms (especially for us shybies), why do are our spirits have any attachment to our bodies? See you on the other side baby! I'll greet you. For that to happen, there must be an other side to go to. If there is more than one, we would have to end up on the same side. Make sure you behave yourself.
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Post by Naptaq on Jun 28, 2009 7:37:52 GMT -5
Clearly, such energy must be unphysical. Hence, the physical laws do not apply. As someone who studies electronics I have to correct you here. There are a lot of energies out there that you cannot see (are nonphysical) but can still be measured. There's the radio signal, TV signal, cell phone signal, Wi-Fi signals, infrared, electromagnetism..ect. Because that's the way it is. What would be the purpuse of a physical world if we were all floating around in spirits? None. The Buddha said that it's one rare fortune to be born a human being. See you there.
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Post by Farouche on Jun 28, 2009 15:48:02 GMT -5
Naptaq ---------------- As someone who studies electronics I have to correct you here. There are a lot of energies out there that you cannot see (are nonphysical) but can still be measured. There's the radio signal, TV signal, cell phone signal, Wi-Fi signals, infrared, electromagnetism..ect. Where are you studying electronics that they teach you radio signals and infrared are "non-physical?" If they're not physical, what do you suppose they are? You're not equating wifi signals with "qi," are you? I guarantee you that electromagnetic waves are subject to the laws of physics. "Can't see" doesn't mean "non-physical." Be careful about waving your credentials in people's faces when you can't back up your allusions with real expertise. A little humility may be in order here. ------------------------------- Regarding Michael Jackson: it was really weird to find out that he died. When someone is that famous and that much a part of pop culture, it feels easy to forget they're not a character or a concept, but an ordinary human made of the same meat as the rest of us. He was definitely a guy with problems, but he sure did know how to entertain (even when it wasn't necessarily intended...). I didn't know much about Farrah Fawcett except that she'd been on Charlie's Angels, but it's sad to hear she's gone, too--especially with the cancer and the pain leading up to it. Death and decay may be inevitable... but that sucks and it makes me sad. For everyone who's still alive: give yourselves a pat on the back for making it this far.
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Post by Naptaq on Jun 28, 2009 17:03:08 GMT -5
They're not physical in the sense of being physical chuncks flying around in the air. That is obviously what I was saying.
They're manipulating the smallest particles and in that sense it's not that different than Qi which is basicly doing the same.
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Post by Farouche on Jun 28, 2009 17:49:40 GMT -5
Naptaq --------------- They're not physical in the sense of being physical chuncks flying around in the air. That is obviously what I was saying. Splattice never said anything that could be construed as saying that electromagnetic waves are chunks of matter flying through the air. If this is indeed what you were talking about, then you were just plain wrong to "correct" Splattice in your haste to one-up him. He was very nicely trying to point out that you're equivocating on the qi concept. If qi exists, it is not subject to physical laws, because if it were, it would be detectable in the same way that electromagnetic waves are detectable--AND measurable. Since "qi" is apparently magical and unable to be detected by any physical means, it is not subject to physical laws like the conservation of energy. It's not nice to flout your credentials to try and make your opinions sound more authoritative, but it looks especially bad when you can't even seem to get your facts straight before issuing corrections. Naptaq ------------------- They're manipulating the smallest particles and in that sense it's not that different than Qi which is basicly doing the same. Is this what you're learning in your studies of electronics? Here's a question for you: how the heck would you know if "qi" acts by "manipulating smallest particles," if qi cannot be detected or measured? Did qi tell you that's what it was doing? Does some mod want to go ahead and move this silly tangent to the debate thread..?
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