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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 1:36:50 GMT -5
Are you referring to this forum or just forums you participated in in general? In my experience, threads on this forum are moved or "quarantined" under pretty extreme circumstances. For the vast majority of cases, the threads that are removed are the ones started by spammers and trolls. Noone gets their posts deleted arbitrarily, not that I've seen. Hi Zaab.....I'm not at all sure that asolitary soul is talking about deleting impersonal, software-generated problem posts as you suggest. When I look at alolitarysoul's post, I see descriptions about not only threads, but about posts, and the personal pronoun "you" is used. Also, all of us know, site owners, moderators and participants alike, that spam and troll and other types of impersonal "HACK" bothers would of course be deleted. Therefore I don't really think that the thread owner's concerns were about those things. While I cannot speak for the person who started this thread, I do get the sense that the reason why this particular thread was started was not because of hack threats but instead, the person who started the thread is expressing intentions about the proliferation of ideas that the site managers might not like - and of course, that is the job of every site owner or moderator. It's already a given that the moderators will try to protect all of us from hackers and trollers and spammers. Nobody writes threads about that because it's already understood. You're talking about a post made almost a half year ago by a moderator who doesn't actively participate in the forum anymore. I don't know of any mod here who deletes posts or threads arbitrarily because they don't like the ideas they contain. Its really not an issue. I'm still confused. Why are you so concerned?
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 1:39:00 GMT -5
Hi Zaab.....I'm not at all sure that asolitary soul is talking about deleting impersonal, software-generated problem posts as you suggest. When I look at alolitarysoul's post, I see descriptions about not only threads, but about posts, and the personal pronoun "you" is used. Also, all of us know, site owners, moderators and participants alike, that spam and troll and other types of impersonal "HACK" bothers would of course be deleted. Therefore I don't really think that the thread owner's concerns were about those things. While I cannot speak for the person who started this thread, I do get the sense that the reason why this particular thread was started was not because of hack threats but instead, the person who started the thread is expressing intentions about the proliferation of ideas that the site managers might not like - and of course, that is the job of every site owner or moderator. It's already a given that the moderators will try to protect all of us from hackers and trollers and spammers. Nobody writes threads about that because it's already understood. Ok, you MIGHT want to have stayed long enough at the site to see what sort of things are actually being subjected to "Nazi-like" deletions before you start crying foul. I understand from your past posts that you have a "thing" about supposedly being manipulated by The Man or something, but geeze--could you maybe give it a rest until there is in fact something real to complain about? Hello GreenFerret, please take a moment to read the words of my posts here carefully to see that my concerns were phrased in the conditional using words such as "if" and "were". It is not my intention to research this site to see what has happened in the past. What we have here is a moderator who announced an intention about the future. I therefore expressed my hopes in conditional terms, and I used some of my past experiences on other sites as supporting examples. I appreciate your comments very much, and thank you for them. I have written in many different threads here and you have been part of many of them, and I always enjoy having you as part of threads where I am also participating. Thanks!
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 1:44:17 GMT -5
Hi Zaab.....I'm not at all sure that asolitary soul is talking about deleting impersonal, software-generated problem posts as you suggest. When I look at alolitarysoul's post, I see descriptions about not only threads, but about posts, and the personal pronoun "you" is used. Also, all of us know, site owners, moderators and participants alike, that spam and troll and other types of impersonal "HACK" bothers would of course be deleted. Therefore I don't really think that the thread owner's concerns were about those things. While I cannot speak for the person who started this thread, I do get the sense that the reason why this particular thread was started was not because of hack threats but instead, the person who started the thread is expressing intentions about the proliferation of ideas that the site managers might not like - and of course, that is the job of every site owner or moderator. It's already a given that the moderators will try to protect all of us from hackers and trollers and spammers. Nobody writes threads about that because it's already understood. You're talking about a post made almost a half year ago by a moderator who doesn't actively participate in the forum anymore. I don't know of any mod here who deletes posts or threads arbitrarily because they don't like the ideas they contain. Its really not an issue. I'm still confused. Why are you so concerned? Zaab, I think we have different values concerning the time value of things. To me, it doesn't matter a bit whether the thread was started an hour ago or a year ago. The thread is still showing up as active on the current forum board. Clearly the managers of the forum haven't decided to put the thread away (in archives). If they have determined that it is still relevant, can't I also enjoy the same determination? Thanks Zaab.
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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 1:50:03 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Why are you bringing this up as a concern? Thread or post removal is an extreme rarity and it is almost always in response to trolls and spammers who don't warrant an explanation. If deleting a thread were as rare as you suggest and almost always concerned only with things that have nothing to do with the posts of we humans who enjoy the site, then this thread here wouldn't have been started in the first place. Your question would be better directed if you addressed it to Asolitarysoul, who clearly is not writing about trolls or spams or hacks at the start of this thread. Since I have access to the deleted threads, I went to the trouble of gathering the stats for you. Of the twenty threads removed since October, fourteen were started by trolls, four were spammer ads, and two were removed because they devolved into flame wars. You're just going to have to take my word on that, but I'm an extremely honest person. I hope this allays your fears and concerns.
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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 1:54:53 GMT -5
You're talking about a post made almost a half year ago by a moderator who doesn't actively participate in the forum anymore. I don't know of any mod here who deletes posts or threads arbitrarily because they don't like the ideas they contain. Its really not an issue. I'm still confused. Why are you so concerned? Zaab, I think we have different values concerning the time value of things. To me, it doesn't matter a bit whether the thread was started an hour ago or a year ago. The thread is still showing up as active on the current forum board. Clearly the managers of the forum haven't decided to put the thread away (in archives). If they have determined that it is still relevant, can't I also enjoy the same determination? Thanks Zaab. Yes, we definitely have different values.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 1:58:16 GMT -5
If deleting a thread were as rare as you suggest and almost always concerned only with things that have nothing to do with the posts of we humans who enjoy the site, then this thread here wouldn't have been started in the first place. Your question would be better directed if you addressed it to Asolitarysoul, who clearly is not writing about trolls or spams or hacks at the start of this thread. Since I have access to the deleted threads, I went to the trouble of gathering the stats for you. Of the twenty threads removed since October, fourteen were started by trolls, four were spammer ads, and two were removed because they devolved into flame wars. You're just going to have to take my word on that, but I'm an extremely honest person. I hope this allays your fears and concerns. Hey Zaab, I appreciate the stats, and I do take your word on it. But I was responding to the original post which didn't specify targets, and which used personal pronouns. The stats don't change the fact that the person who started the thread was not thinking about trollers and spammers and hackers when the thread was started. Appreciate your efforts just the same, and I am happy to know what you have told me here.
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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 2:06:32 GMT -5
Since I have access to the deleted threads, I went to the trouble of gathering the stats for you. Of the twenty threads removed since October, fourteen were started by trolls, four were spammer ads, and two were removed because they devolved into flame wars. You're just going to have to take my word on that, but I'm an extremely honest person. I hope this allays your fears and concerns. Hey Zaab, I appreciate the stats, and I do take your word on it. But I was responding to the original post which didn't specify targets, and which used personal pronouns. The stats don't change the fact that the person who started the thread was not thinking about trollers and spammers and hackers when the thread was started. Appreciate your efforts just the same, and I am happy to know what you have told me here. There were flame wars at the time and some people had the opinion that things went too far in the effort to stop them. That hasn't been a problem in a long time and that is the last I have to say on the subject.
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Post by wagnerr on Mar 21, 2006 13:17:51 GMT -5
Hey Shyiscool, i just wanted to let you know that the removed thread policy is there to maintain this site as a friendly and helpful place. Yes, we do delete threads or posts started by trolls or spammers. But on occasion, a 'fight' may break out between two or more members here that does not seem to warrant its existance. On these occasions, we can remove the thread temporarily. We do not actually delete the thread itself, or any of the posts in it. When a discussion in a thread turns ugly, as in devolves into name calling contests and such, we will not tolerate it. We simply will remove the thread so that the fighting will stop. We will not do this with just any thread that comes along. Every member at SU has the right to free speech here. It's very difficult to curb that on the internet, you know. Especially at SU, it's important for every member here to be able to post freely and expressively. You can talk about almost anything here, if you want. That being said, we have a trend here that i like to call Free Speech with Responsibility. This means that you can say whatever you want here, as long as you do not intentionally offend the other members. Most of these threads are caused by trolls, who seek only to piss people off. However, on occasion, fights have broke out among regular members. When this happens, i like to use diplomacy first, rather than censorship of the thread or posts. I try to get members to calm down and stop throwing angry posts at each other. If this does not work, then i will resort to removing the thread. As had happend in the past, whenever it was necessary to remove a thread of delete a post, i always sent a PM to some of the participating members, explaining what happened, and to please not post like that again. I will agree with what Zaab has already said here. I simply wanted you to be more aware of the circumstances where a thread may be removed, and how we handle the situation. Not to fear, Shyiscool, this is a good place. We regulate it only to keep it a safe anf friendly website, so that it doesn't devolve into a cesspool website like others on the internet.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 22, 2006 13:01:13 GMT -5
I appreciate your explanations and (now that I understand them) your efforts, too.
I use "your" in the plural sense.
Thanks.
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