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Post by shypsychologyguy on Dec 1, 2005 17:33:06 GMT -5
the reason for the "theory" stickers is that textbooks sometimeds do not teach evolution as theory. In that case its just setting th record straight.
Dinosaurs and man lived together at the same time they were not carnivors yet. After the fall of Adam and Eve they became carnivorous.
Dinosuars were not all killed in one big event. They were killed off by people over time. this is expressed in mideval writings and in japanese culture in which dragons and dragonslayers were praised and repressented ancestory.
the locheness monster could be a dinosaur.
the bible does mention leviathon which most likely was a dinosaur.
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Dec 1, 2005 17:51:16 GMT -5
This article is one of many found within Mr. Malone's excellent book, Search for the Truth.
Although the monstrous creature was obviously a vegetarian, its size was overwhelming. Its hips could withstand the enormous force of each pounding step and its midsection was a mass of muscle. Its gigantic tail extended far behind him, not unlike a giant cedar tree swaying behind his body. Its bones were like steel girders with ribs like iron bars to support his enormous weight. This is the greatest creature to roam the swamps and rivers of the earth.
Is this a scene from the blockbuster movie, Jurassic Park? It could be, but it isn't. This description, which perfectly fits an Apatosaurus, is a paraphrased description taken from one of the oldest books of the Bible, Job 40:15-24. If dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years, how could a writer of the Bible have accurately described the appearance, food, and habitat of this creature?
The vast majority of books on dinosaurs are written from an evolutionary perspective which assumes that the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The leading model for the demise of the dinosaur involves a large asteroid hitting the earth. Yet the most obvious alternative explanation is almost always ignored. Almost all fossils are the remains of creatures buried by water-borne sediment which has subsequently turned to rock. If this is due to the flood of worldwide extent, as the water flowed over all the land surfaces, animals would have been drowned and been buried by massive amounts of rapidly accumulating sediment. It is not all surprising to find a general lack of burial mixing between these very different kinds of animals due to local or ecological grouping.
Genesis 7:2 states that Noah saved two of every representative "kind" of land animal on the ark. Noah would have taken young specimens, not huge, older creatures. Dinosaurs would have emerged from the ark to inhabit an entirely different world. Instead of a warm, mild climate worldwide, they would have found a harsh climate which soon settled into an ice age. If climatic hardships did not cause the dinosaur's extinction, man's tendency to destroy probably did.
In the early 1900's on the Doheny expedition into the Grand Canyon, Indian cave drawings were found which closely resembled a duck-billed dinosaur. Legends from ancient China to ancient England have recorded descriptions of dinosaur-like creatures. The Kuku Yalanji aboriginal people have paintings which look exactly like plesiosaurs. These and other intriguing evidences seem to indicate that perhaps that age of the dinosaurs ended more recently than is commonly taught. Christians do not need to feel foolish about standing on Scripture in their understanding of the world around us. There is ample evidence to support the Biblical record. Evolution serves as the foundation basis for the religions of humanism and atheism. These world views are popular because man, instead of God, decides on rules and moral standards. Creation serves as the foundational basis for Christianity which acknowledges that all things were created by God, that we live in a fallen universe, and that it will be restored to perfection in the future.
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Post by wagnerr on Dec 1, 2005 18:07:25 GMT -5
why did you delete my post? there was nothing wrong with your post, you feel as many other people do It wasn't because it was your post, man. I deleted it because my own words were in it, which i had already decided to delete in all my posts relating to this discussion last night. I just felt embarrased by them. I just felt like i was getting irrationally off topic, and i wanted my part in the discussion to end, thats all.
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Post by GreenFerret on Dec 1, 2005 18:12:14 GMT -5
the reason for the "theory" stickers is that textbooks sometimeds do not teach evolution as theory. In that case its just setting th record straight. No, it isn't "just setting the record straight." Most of what is taught about the "why" questions in science is theory. To single out evolution is only, as others on this thread pointed out, an attempt to create confusion in favor of a creationist explanation. Evolution is "just a theory" in the way that a marriage license is "just a piece of paper" or beating a child black and blue is "just discipline." Calling it "just a theory" is only an attempt to play down its importance without justifying oneself. And as Bodhi pointed out, the word "theory" in science doesn't mean "something those crafty atheists pulled out of their asses." Science doesn't allow for such things the way religion does.
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Post by Bodhi on Dec 1, 2005 18:56:09 GMT -5
Dinosaurs and man lived together at the same time they were not carnivors yet. After the fall of Adam and Eve they became carnivorous. I think the fact you believe this, where all the evidence goes against this belief, means I can not even continue the debate, its just too absurd to try and debate you. Look deep down into yourself SPG, use your logical mind, how can you truly believe this to be true?
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Post by MrNice on Dec 1, 2005 19:38:27 GMT -5
you can believe anything to be true. unless you can't ignore the consequences. we have discussed this already. you can believe that you can fly but soon you will find out you are wrong. With other questions such as where do we come from, is there god and does sun move around earth it you can live your life without having the correct beliefs. Whether god exists or not, nice guys finish last
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Post by GreenFerret on Dec 1, 2005 21:28:35 GMT -5
its just too absurd to try and debate [SPG]. This keeps occuring to me, yet I keep coming back and feeding the urge to defend logic. I think you're right, though, there's not really much point to continuing this debate. Ohh well. lol. One quote I can't remember where I first saw it, but it's a great one: "science is questions that may never be answered; religion is answers that may never be questioned." 'Tis fitting.
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Post by Tal on Dec 2, 2005 5:41:01 GMT -5
The one thing you should never trust for historical reliability is works of fiction. How many ancient tales, myths, folklore speak of monsters and weird creatures? Loads. Giants, sea monsters, dragons, dwarves, elves, fairies, nymphs etc etc etc
Do you believe all these to be real? I certainly don't. They're figments of the imagination, often based on real creatures such as snakes, aligators, lizards, giant squid etc and passed on down the centuries via oral storytelling and eventually writing.
Like with Chinese Whispers, by the time the message reaches the end of the chain of people is can be substantially changed, so what reason have we to believe that anything written down in the Bible is representative of the period in which it was written, or indeed any period in the previous 1000 years?
I'm not saying creatures related to the dinosaurs didn't exist when early Humans did (many still do today), but you can't rightly call them dinosaurs and say both they and Humans co-existed. So whatever way you look at it, it sounds rather absurd.
The Bible and any arguments deriving from it simply can't be trusted as being accurate.
As for the theory argument, well anything can be a theory - e.g. conspiracy theory. You might as well believe reptilian aliens are running the planet as believe in Intelligent Design, because they're all just theories...right?
Sadly these silly ideas are passed on from parents to their children or from so-called 'teachers' to students. They appear sensible and reasonable because they've been pounded into the heads of the young as they grow up, but I find it difficult to believe any intelligent, questioning individual would continue to support such nonesense as they grow older.
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Post by thedman05 on Dec 2, 2005 8:31:37 GMT -5
The Bible would have us believe that humans are inbred...twice over! Adam and Eve had children, now unless the Bible misses out the part where 'God created many more people besides Adam and Eve', They must all have had children with each other!!! Incest?!? Secondly, Noah and his family were the only survivors of the flood. Again we have incest. Therefore, all humans who are alive today are the result of incestuous relations sanctioned by God, and there was me thinking that God forbade incest. Oh, and one other thing. If God is all powerful why didn't He just make all the bad people on Earth die? Why send a flood? Considering it took about 120 years to build the Ark, it seems dreadfully inefficient. And while I'm at it, why didn't He send Christ to deal with them, instead of wiping all of them out?!? For me all this makes the Bible a very poor source of information.
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Post by thedman05 on Dec 2, 2005 11:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Dec 2, 2005 13:25:06 GMT -5
the 120 years was to allow the people ample time to hear that a flood was coming so that they may go on the ark in faith. Like you all they said it was nonsense and they died. A world wide flood is eveidenced by cultures all over the world who have storys involving a flood.
God created Us to not be robots , he gives us free will to choose.
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Post by sushiboat on Dec 2, 2005 13:45:57 GMT -5
God created Us to not be robots , he gives us free will to choose. You are free to choose. However, if you don't make the choice he wants you to make, he tortures you with incredible, everlasting pain. Or he murders you with a flood or a plague or he strikes you down, and then he tortures you. Among humans, holding a threat over someone's head is legally known as coercion, not a free choice.
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Post by Paulinus on Dec 2, 2005 13:58:12 GMT -5
Yeah thats not free will, thats do as I say or else.
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Post by Paulinus on Dec 2, 2005 14:02:15 GMT -5
Therefore, all humans who are alive today are the result of incestuous relations sanctioned by God, and there was me thinking that God forbade incest. Reminds me of the following Simpsons quote ;D Ned Flanders: I've done everything the Bible says - even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!
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Post by MrNice on Dec 2, 2005 15:29:20 GMT -5
And if he doesn't there is always plenty of volunteers to do the job
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