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Post by corruptedheart on May 2, 2008 21:27:12 GMT -5
I don't think using drugs would help with your shyness. If you're talking about heroin it would just make you really happy being isolated. You might even lose any motivation you had to be social at all. However if you have taken the legal, health, and other risks into account I think using opiates or heroin for recreational use would be fine. If you do some more research about "heroin chippers" you can find out there are individuals that use opiates in moderation with out many problems. You'd have to find a good dealer and make sure you're drugs aren't cut with another harmful substance. Then choose a method- either snorting or smoking, and never learn how to inject the drug. In your first use you should definitely not be alone and probably only smoke a little. Upon your first use you'll probably throw up a lot, this might make you never want to use again... or start your acquired love for chasing the dragon. In that case you should start yourself on a schedule of only using every other weekend. Occasionally maybe even not using for an entire month before taking it up again. Consult the book "The Heroin User's Handbook" for more information. I wasn't talking about Heroin. I was mainly interested in what Aldous Huxley said about certain drugs, such as LSD and mescaline. How it "opens the mind and jumpstarts creativity in the common man." I want to change myself, my personality. Everyone's response is just "work on it" but the reality is, changing yourself, things like social phobia are nearly impossible when your personality is already set. I like how people assume a lifetime of isolation is somehow less harmful than recreational drug use. I strictly believe that if you don't like yourself, change it, by whatever means possible. The fact is, nothing conventional is going to change my social anxiety/other mental problems. I'm already entrenched in negativity. I need something external that will force my mind to change. I suppose this talk about drug use is a sign of desperation. I've looked around me, seen everyone else having fun, living life. Then I see myself doing nothing, because I'm paralyzed with fear. I'm tired of it, I'd rather ruin my mind than continue like this.
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Post by gaia on May 2, 2008 21:41:46 GMT -5
If you seriously think this is the answer, and it's your last resort - try it. Better than putting a gun to your head, isn't it?
I know i've had a change of heart.. but if you're that desperate, then why not?
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Post by corruptedheart on May 2, 2008 21:45:05 GMT -5
If you seriously think this is the answer, and it's your last resort - try it. Better than putting a gun to your head, isn't it? I know i've had a change of heart.. but if you're that desperate, then why not? You and your reverse pyschology , and what do you mean by change of heart?
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Post by gaia on May 2, 2008 21:51:04 GMT -5
If you seriously think this is the answer, and it's your last resort - try it. Better than putting a gun to your head, isn't it? I know i've had a change of heart.. but if you're that desperate, then why not? You and your reverse pyschology , and what do you mean by change of heart? It's not reverse psychology. I used to drag a nice sharp blade across my arm to take me away from the pain I was feeling (a while ago)... it was a way to escape mentally. Who am I to judge?
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Post by strawberrysweetie on May 2, 2008 22:09:27 GMT -5
Whether I keep my mouth closed or not, it's as if my mouth is closed anyway. It sucks to care about things that I have absolutely no control over. Good luck, corruptedheart.
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Post by gaia on May 2, 2008 22:12:54 GMT -5
Whether I keep my mouth closed or not, it's as if my mouth is closed anyway. It sucks to care about things that I have absolutely no control over. Good luck, corruptedheart. I'll second this. Compassion is a fucking curse, sometimes.
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Post by corruptedheart on May 2, 2008 22:35:05 GMT -5
You and your reverse pyschology , and what do you mean by change of heart? It's not reverse psychology. I used to drag a nice sharp blade across my arm to take me away from the pain I was feeling (a while ago)... it was a way to escape mentally. Who am I to judge? I was joking about the reverse psychology thing, I do that when things get a little tense for me. I feel bad that you used to cut yourself, I considered doing that at one point. I appreciate the intentions of your advice, I just don't know how much of it can really help me at this point. I consider myself an idiot when it comes to making real life decisions, and I guess this thread reflects that. I don't know what else to say.
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Post by gaia on May 2, 2008 22:37:59 GMT -5
I was joking about the reverse psychology thing, I do that when things get a little tense for me. I feel bad that you used to cut yourself, I considered doing that at one point. As long as you don't catch an artery, and all of your jabs are up to date, it's not so bad.
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Post by skyhint on May 2, 2008 23:59:10 GMT -5
I want to change myself, my personality. Everyone's response is just "work on it" but the reality is, changing yourself, things like social phobia are nearly impossible when your personality is already set. I like how people assume a lifetime of isolation is somehow less harmful than recreational drug use. I strictly believe that if you don't like yourself, change it, by whatever means possible. The fact is, nothing conventional is going to change my social anxiety/other mental problems. I'm already entrenched in negativity. I need something external that will force my mind to change. My philosophy is similar but significantly different. I think that if you don't like something about yourself either learn to like it or work to change it. Work to change it, not change it at any cost. If me or you or someone feels fat don't choose to starve. Start eating more vegtables and step up the excercise. Maybe one method is quicker, cheaper and easier but you pay the consequences for taking a short cut.
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 3, 2008 1:16:52 GMT -5
i've known alot of people who've dropped acid or eaten shrooms over the years. not saying no one's ever benefited from it in any way, but i never met anyone whose personality improved as a result as far as i could tell.
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Post by corruptedheart on May 3, 2008 5:39:03 GMT -5
I want to change myself, my personality. Everyone's response is just "work on it" but the reality is, changing yourself, things like social phobia are nearly impossible when your personality is already set. I like how people assume a lifetime of isolation is somehow less harmful than recreational drug use. I strictly believe that if you don't like yourself, change it, by whatever means possible. The fact is, nothing conventional is going to change my social anxiety/other mental problems. I'm already entrenched in negativity. I need something external that will force my mind to change. My philosophy is similar but significantly different. I think that if you don't like something about yourself either learn to like it or work to change it. Work to change it, not change it at any cost. If me or you or someone feels fat don't choose to starve. Start eating more vegtables and step up the excercise. Maybe one method is quicker, cheaper and easier but you pay the consequences for taking a short cut. Maybe, but changing personality is a horse of a different color than changing your body. I've yet to see someone change themselves drastically in that area. The "learn to like it" thing is defeat, in my book. Well, unless it's a mis-percieved flaw born of low self-esteem.
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Post by HybridMoment on May 3, 2008 10:17:38 GMT -5
I originally only did the research to dispell the instant addiction myth, but now I'm thoroughly convinced most people can recreationally use opiates under the right circumstances with out becoming dependant on them. I really really really really really disagree with you. " If you only use once every four days and don't develop a physical addiction, you may still develop a psychological addiction that causes mental distress if you don't get the drug at the time you are used to.
Psychological addiction is a person's need to use the drug for the effects it produces, rather than to relieve physical withdrawal symptoms. It is not limited only to drugs, even things like gambling, sex, and eating can be psychologically addicting. People with addictive personalities should stay away from any type of drug, especially opioids, cocaine, and speed. " Seriously dude....if you are seriously considering getting into drugs....through all your research, I suggest you also research addiction and addictive personalities extensively. If you are interested in drugs because you are looking for an "escape" from reality, I do believe you have a high risk for developing an addiction. Perhaps there are ways around a physical one (I don't really know...).....but psychological addictions are just as bad, if not in some ways worse, and I think they are even easier to obtain. If one considers all the drug addicts, alcoholics, sex addicts, food addicts, etc. in this world, then I think it's safe to say that more people than not are prone to addictions. I cannot stress this addiction thing enough.....It is horrible, and you won't like it. If you do get into drugs, at some point you're bound to wonder...."What in the hell was I thinking?" The "addictive personality" is just a myth, even the scientific community and addiction programs don't frequently use that misleading term anymore. Anybody can get addicted if they use drugs frequently regardless of their personality traits, but the key term here is frequently. Although it has been found specifically in alcoholism that some people do have a genetic pre-disposition towards it. But I guess addiction is not really the problem here if this guy is talking about hallucinogens, and yes I was thrown off by his calling the drugs "hardcore". Some hallucinogens are legal in some states (like Texas with salvia and peyote for Indian use) and they are not addictive. He just has to worry about going on a bad trip.
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Post by gaia on May 3, 2008 11:24:44 GMT -5
...Some hallucinogens are legal in some states (like Texas with salvia and peyote for Indian use)... "Indian" use is totally different. They have a spiritual & cultral purpose for using hallucinogenics. They have very knowledgable people on the subject, and nobody is left to use those kind of substances alone. Doing it for a bit of an escape from the shit going on in your life is just not the same. ...He just has to worry about going on a bad trip. And what if he does? It's more likely that he will go on 'a bad trip' if there is already a lot of negativity in his mind...
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Post by skyhint on May 3, 2008 13:17:04 GMT -5
My philosophy is similar but significantly different. I think that if you don't like something about yourself either learn to like it or work to change it. Work to change it, not change it at any cost. If me or you or someone feels fat don't choose to starve. Start eating more vegtables and step up the excercise. Maybe one method is quicker, cheaper and easier but you pay the consequences for taking a short cut. Maybe, but changing personality is a horse of a different color than changing your body. I've yet to see someone change themselves drastically in that area. The "learn to like it" thing is defeat, in my book. Well, unless it's a mis-percieved flaw born of low self-esteem. Hehe, if liking your self is defeat then all the sucessful people of the world are losers.
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Post by strawberrysweetie on May 3, 2008 14:33:27 GMT -5
The "addictive personality" is just a myth, even the scientific community and addiction programs don't frequently use that misleading term anymore. Anybody can get addicted if they use drugs frequently regardless of their personality traits, but the key term here is frequently. Although it has been found specifically in alcoholism that some people do have a genetic pre-disposition towards it. Saying that an 'addictive personality' is "just a myth" and then saying it's been found that alcoholism has been shown to be possibly linked to a "genetic pre-disposition" seems quite contradictory. But I guess addiction is not really the problem here if this guy is talking about hallucinogens, and yes I was thrown off by his calling the drugs "hardcore". Some hallucinogens are legal in some states (like Texas with salvia and peyote for Indian use) and they are not addictive. He just has to worry about going on a bad trip. I still disagree. You can become "addicted" to any sort of behavior when you continually feel you have to do it in order to feel in some way at ease. That's the psychological addiction and it can occur with a numerous amount of activities. Exercise can even become an addiction. Bulimia/anorexia could be considered an addiction. I really wish people wouldn't downplay addiction so much. Unless you've experienced it, you can't really know how powerful it can be. But, whatever. I am done with this. No one cares what my opinion is anyway. And I'm obviously not helping anyone, which is the only reason why I even attempt to speak out. Have fun with your drugs, people. Just don't expect much sympathy once it becomes a problem. It's a hell of a lot harder to fix a problem than it is to prevent it.
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