Rukry ----------------
No, it's accurate enough, because that's my definition of the word which goes well along with the dictionary's, no matter if it's the "second" definition. It's JUST AS ACCURATE and you know it, so please try to use more proper arguments the next time. I actually don't know if I should laugh or cry when faced with this bizarre way of debating.
You've been saying for
pages and pages that it's not insulting because the dictionary doesn't say it is; then you're forced to admit you basically lied, and you STILL have the nerve to insist you're correct and that I'm the one who doesn't know how to argue! What bizzarro universe are you living in? Your arguments and accusations are self-contradictory and totally off the wall, and if you find my arguments indecipherable, perhaps it's because you are the one who's confused about how to form a rational argument. You write a huge long post beginning with how I'm so wrong I make you laugh, and yet then you say this:
Rukry --------------
Alright, I admit you're right there, it's demeaning and I withdraw that exact statement. My bad.
HUH? Why in the world didn't you just end your post there? That is the WHOLE POINT. "Slut" is demeaning to women. You repeatedly said using "slut" was ok
because it was NOT demeaning. So you were wrong. The end. I mean, do you even know what you've been arguing about, or is it all just some vague defense of you "moral right" to use a sexual slur?
Really think about this for a sec. I asked you not to use the word "slut" BECAUSE it is demeaning, and you claimed again and again that it was NOT demeaning, even as you tried to
defend yourself by referring to promiscuous women as "inferior" and "morons" who deserve no respect "AT ALL" and who thereby invite themselves to be raped. So then you presented the second set of Dictionary.com definitions and claimed the dictionary supported your assertion that "slut" is NOT considered demeaning, and that I was
making things up about it being offensive. I demonstrated that this was a bald-faced lie, which you subsequently acknowledged. You
then claimed that you were using a version of "slut" that was magically divorced from the connotations of "dirty" and "immoral" that the first set of definitions listed by somehow exclusively tying into the second set of definitions which did not
happen to specify the negative connotations (
"my definition [...] no matter if it's the "second" definition."), while simultaneously insisting that "sluts" ARE objectively and inherently dirty, per your personal definition. So you
are using the word with the connotations from the first definition that you agreed were demeaning. Again,
WTF? It's impossible to have it both ways. Your argument makes no sense.
I find it
incredibly bizarre that you would say the following:
If you look away from the statement where I said slut wasn't demeaning, which I by the way took back, then I haven't said anything.
And then keep babbling about dirty sluts and your moral right to demean and encourage a complete lack of respect toward promiscuous women. Because yeah, totally, if I ignore everything you've said where you're arguing that you're right and I'm wrong on the point you
just conceded, then you haven't said anything. Is that supposed to be some kind of existentialist thing, or are you just
really confused..?
'Cause here's my point, clearly spelled out: "Slut" is a slur used to demean women for their sexual choices. It IS an offensive word with offensive connotations, and it's NOT objectively "accurate." So if you use it against women, as in, "sluts like that aren't worth wasting your time on," it makes you sound like a jerk. So don't do it. Or go ahead and do it, and look like a jerk. Just don't expect not to get called on it. I really don't understand why you would even bother to argue about this if you honestly don't care. Really, I only see two options: either "oh, if it's offensive, I suppose I won't call women 'sluts,' then," OR, "screw women, I'll call people sluts or faggots whenever I feel like it and I don't care if it makes me look like a sexist jerk who wants women and gays to know their place." Meh, simple.
Rukry -----------------
So you won't admit that promiscuity is dirty? How about the increase of AIDS caused by that?
You think promiscuity is objectively "dirty?" For the record, no, I don't "admit" that. It doesn't even make sense. Someone can have multiple STDs from sleeping with just one or two people, or be disease-free after lots of safe sex. If they're diseased, they're diseased. If they're not, they're not. Number of partners is irrelevant.
Rukry ------------
So all of a sudden I have to "care" just because I use an offensive word? It sounds like you don't listen to what I'm writing here at all. I've several times here and there said that I pretty much don't care for sluts and their activities at all, but I'm still perfectly allowed to call them names some with a delicate taste of words {like you} find {extremely} offensive. You know, if I call someone a "fucking idiot" for whatever reason, which is offending ,that doesn't necessarily mean I'm offended by them. It means, maybe, that I see them inferior to me for whatever reason.
Do you indeed go around calling people "fucking idiots" when they
haven't offended you or your sensibilities and you
don't care what they're doing that makes them a fucking idiot? Generally if I call someone a "fucking idiot," it's not because I don't care about what they've done, lol. At any rate, the use of "fucking idiot" is a deliberately offensive insult, but it isn't a sexual slur. If you were calling promiscuous women "fucking idiots," I'd argue that they're
not idiots and don't deserve to be insulted just because they sleep around, but I wouldn't object to the term itself. The problem is that terms like "slut," "faggot," and "n*gger" aren't just insulting; they're used to
dehumanize women who don't play into societal expectations of subdued female sexuality, gays, and blacks, respectively. Marking people as "inferior" makes it easier to mistreat them, as has historically been the case with the above mentioned groups.
Dehumanizing women as "sluts," "dirty," and "inferior" is most definitely a HUGE part of the problem with legitimizing the rape of promiscuous women (a topic
you brought up all on your own). Promiscuous women don't
make men rape them more than they rape chaste ones; the rapist is the one who decides he deserves sex from a woman on the basis of her being just a "dirty" "slut" and not a good, respectable girl. Get it? The woman having the sex isn't the problem. The men who assault them are the problem, and indirectly, so are the people who encourage any idea that
some women are just worthless
cum dumpsters. It's like saying that women who like pie are morons who invite themselves to be raped because everyone knows men feel entitled to rape women who enjoy eating pie. How can is that the woman's fault? It really ain't.
Rukry -------------
Right. You're as much an ignorant as I presumably , according to you, am. I think you're just cranky because I didn't get a warning from one of the mods when I used that word.
Either your attention has been wandering, or you're being deliberately dishonest by insisting I tried to get the mods to censor you. And um, if you honestly still require threats to figure out how to play nice with others, maybe Rukry shouldn't be posting on a big-boy forum.
Rukry ---------------
Maybe you've been called "slut" for whatever reason by others because they didn't like you and therefore feel the urge to criticise every use of the word?
I'm surprised it took you this long to "go there." Sorry, no. I simply see nothing wrong with having sex just for fun, I live in this society, and I have enough sense to know that the word "slut" IS DEMEANING. It really has no other purpose. Have you ever heard of the term "slut-shaming?"
Here's another instance of you making up stories about the things these "dirty" promiscuous women
must get up to; take your pick, I guess:
Rukry ---------------
Also, are you saying that there are not any girl out there who teases men, who fools them into believing they want to have sex with them, but just enjoys it as a game? Who seduces, and tempt blokes? And then, when saying no, is prone to a sexual assault, unfortunately ending in rapes? Of course there are, and they exist.
First of all, what does teasing or tempting men have to do with anything? "Teasing" is not being "promiscuous," so there goes your whole silly argument about "dirty" sluts cheating on boyfriends and running around spreading AIDS all over the place (??). Is this the real problem? That "sluts" might arouse inexperienced men with expectations of easy sex and then fiendishly deny them access..? I mean, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of partners a woman has, and much to do with what, in your mind, "slutty" women "do" to men (in your best guess). I hear bitter bells... Second, you seem to be stuck in some kind of strange, offensive loop with the rape argument. It's like you're trying to justify shaming women as "sluts" by suggesting it will deter them from from becoming targets for men who think of them as "sluts," even though the slut/good girl dichotomy is what gave the rapists their perceived license to rape in the first place. The illogic hurts my brain.
Rukry -------------
If I had serious issues with women, don't you think I'd also start attacking you personally because you were a female? And all other females who objected against me? You're the one with issues here, issues with that word.
How does this even make sense? The word is the issue. It's a derogatory sexual slur. PEOPLE have a problem with it. And you don't have to be a rabid woman-hater to have woman issues. I'm glad you don't hate women, but I'm asking a little more than that. Right now, in fact, all I'm asking you to do is not call women "sluts," please. One step at a time. It's better for women, and it's better for relating to the women.
Rukry --------------
I actually don't care for all the males who shag girls all the time either, those "male sluts". They're just as bad as the female ones.
So, ok; it's alright that you think dirty woman sluts are "inferior" and "morons," because you also...
don't care for men who, ah,
shag girls all the time. "Male sluts," to borrow a term. Come on... "don't care for?" "Shag girls all the time?" You've been so indelicate about how "dirty" and "inferior" promiscuous women are, but promiscuous men, you simply "don't care for?" There's something
subtly unconvincing about the insinuation that you view the two groups with equal disdain.
So there you go. Another long and detailed way of saying, "please don't call women 'sluts.'" Thanks.