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Post by Astroruss on Jul 12, 2013 0:14:26 GMT -5
Seems like I cannot turn on the tv or search the internet without seeing something about this case. Now, I of the opinion that this case shouldn't have come of national attention, but since it is, let's talk about it.
I am very confused and conflicted from watching this case being argued in court. I will not give my opinions about verdict or motive or justification because I have none at this point. But what does everyone else think?
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Post by Karen on Jul 12, 2013 5:47:37 GMT -5
I feel the same way about this case. I don't think it would has gotten so much attention if race hadn't been a factor. I am interested to see how it turns out though. Unfortunately I can't contribute much to a discussion about this case, I've heard so many conflicting reports and 'evidence' that I have no solid opinion about the case either. I'm sure there is a lot of evidence being presented in court that we haven't yet heard about... at least, I hope there is, or I imagine that jury is just as confused as we are.  |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jul 13, 2013 14:53:19 GMT -5
Seems like I cannot turn on the tv or search the internet without seeing something about this case. Now, I of the opinion that this case shouldn't have come of national attention, but since it is, let's talk about it. I am very confused and conflicted from watching this case being argued in court. I will not give my opinions about verdict or motive or justification because I have none at this point. But what does everyone else think? i have studiously avoided watching any news stories or reading any articles about this case. i don't think it does anyone any good to expose myself to all the sensationalism. |
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Post by marle on Jul 13, 2013 17:57:42 GMT -5
I agree with others in not wanting to give my opinion on this case. I haven't been following it closely, and I'd rather talk about broader social issues than any specific case. I will say that I am glad Zimmerman is being tried in court - it was only through public outcry that this trial is happening at all. Regardless of the verdict, it's good there was an investigation and trial for this tragic incident.
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Post by Astroruss on Jul 14, 2013 0:52:35 GMT -5
He has been acquitted. Any thoughts?
I will not give my own opinion of the verdict to avoid appearing biased, as I want this thread to be open to others' opinions. But after watching the trial on tv for the last few weeks, it seems like both lawyers and the judge did a very poor job at handling such a high profile case such as this. The prosecution, especially, seemed to show that a monkey could have done a better job at organizing the case.
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Post by Knox on Jul 15, 2013 17:49:34 GMT -5
After the Casey Anthony trial I became so disenchanted with the justice system as a whole, I purposefully avoided getting emotionally invested in this case. So I really can't comment on the case itself. However I've been wanting to rant a bit on the system itself for a while so. if you don't mind me going off subject a bit..... The system is flawed in my opinion. "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" sounds nice on paper,.. but really isn't that great in use. For example, let's say in all actuality, the defendant is guilty, but (as you suggested) the prosecuting lawyer just doesn't do his job properly. Guilt is failed to be proven and as a result, the defendant is declared Not Guilty by default even though he is actually guilty. What I find odd is that they say you're innocent until proven guilty but, if guilt is failed to be proven you aren't actually declared innocent in the verdict. Rather they use the words "Not Guilty." I think 'they' know the system is flawed and they don't like using the word 'innocent' to describe someone they know could possibly be guilty. So they use the softer language because it helps them sleep at night. Then on the other side, the system finds countless innocent men guilty. So they can't even get that right half the time. Again, sorry to go off the subject Russ. I hope you don't mind.  |
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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Jul 16, 2013 16:05:46 GMT -5
I saw the piece about this on The Daily Show today (Monday's ep). I hadn't heard about the story until today, I haven't seen any coverage of it in the UK, but I think what John Oliver said on The Daily Show summed up pretty much what everyone is thinking.
Its just ridiculous.
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Post by Astroruss on Jul 16, 2013 22:35:29 GMT -5
After the Casey Anthony trial I became so disenchanted with the justice system as a whole, I purposefully avoided getting emotionally invested in this case. So I really can't comment on the case itself. However I've been wanting to rant a bit on the system itself for a while so. if you don't mind me going off subject a bit..... The system is flawed in my opinion. "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" sounds nice on paper,.. but really isn't that great in use. For example, let's say in all actuality, the defendant is guilty, but (as you suggested) the prosecuting lawyer just doesn't do his job properly. Guilt is failed to be proven and as a result, the defendant is declared Not Guilty by default even though he is actually guilty. What I find odd is that they say you're innocent until proven guilty but, if guilt is failed to be proven you aren't actually declared innocent in the verdict. Rather they use the words "Not Guilty." I think 'they' know the system is flawed and they don't like using the word 'innocent' to describe someone they know could possibly be guilty. So they use the softer language because it helps them sleep at night. Then on the other side, the system finds countless innocent men guilty. So they can't even get that right half the time. Again, sorry to go off the subject Russ. I hope you don't mind. What I find most annoying about the case is not so much the verdict or the trial itself. I mean, there is no denying GZ killed TM, in desperation it seems. The worst part is the race mongers keeping the controversey going. Organizations like the NAACP are spearheading the witch hunt and are blaming everyone but the victim now. The police, the lawyers, the judge, the state justice dept, the politicians, everyone are getting the blame now, and the racial inquisitors are pushing and pushing and exacerbating the racial tensions in the whole country! We have 'peaceful' protests going on all over the country now, and the racial mobs are running riot everywhere!  Many more people will get hurt now because of these rotten bastards. |
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Post by Astroruss on Jul 16, 2013 23:40:58 GMT -5
I saw the piece about this on The Daily Show today (Monday's ep). I hadn't heard about the story until today, I haven't seen any coverage of it in the UK, but I think what John Oliver said on The Daily Show summed up pretty much what everyone is thinking. Its just ridiculous. I agree. They've turned an isolated incident into a national outrage, with mobs running around amok.  |
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Post by Astroruss on Jul 18, 2013 23:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by Karen on Jul 19, 2013 6:41:36 GMT -5
I'm glad you weren't caught up in that. I watched the video of this happening on another website, and although I don't think the guy hit the grandmother in the head as she's claiming, (from the video it looks like she hit her own head on the car door), what he did was wildly inappropriate and messed up, after he grabbed for her, he tried to grab the back door of the car, then one of his fellow protesters pulled him away. I can't understand what the hell the protesters thought blocking a highway would accomplish in the first place, even worse a highway leading to a major medical center. To me that's just all around stupid and dangerous. They could have taken their protest to city hall, or a local courthouse, and seemed about 100 times more legitimate. |
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Post by Astrodog on Jul 22, 2013 0:26:13 GMT -5
How dare they stop traffic on that freeway! That's my job! And that's my freeway too! I've marked it I don't know how many times. |
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Post by Astroruss on Jul 23, 2013 1:15:31 GMT -5
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