Which one are you?

[Samantha]

admin said:

richardcunningham said:

Maybe you guys should stop saying what you think other people are on the list before anyone else gets insulted?

I agree Richie... don't see the point in it all? Trying to ruin SHY forum? And I guess we are just suppose to sit back and grin about it. Shame...

I'm lost too

I'm not sure what you mean but are you saying Richie was trying to ruin the forum by suggesting people may be insulted?

If you are then if he hurts peoples' feelings he is bad and if he looks out for peoples' feelings he is bad? How is the guy supposed to win? You criticise him for being inconsiderate and criticise him for being considerate You want him to be nice but when he is you criticise him?

I doubt you would deliberately pick on anyone Mary and I hope I misinterpreted your meaning but it seems to me you are being unfair.

[Paulinus]

I took it as a sarcastic comment based on what he's said before and I think Mary thought that too. However I could be wrong.

[Samantha]

paulthequiet said:

I took it as a sarcastic comment based on what he's said before and I think Mary thought that too.

I think that sums it up nicely paul. It's a shame people focus on what they perceive as people's bad qualities. I remember Richie being one of the first people to complain about the Karma thing because he was worried people would be upset and hurt by it. I guess that kind of stuff doesn't count. Maybe it was just another of his constant complaining and he didn't really mean it though. Maybe he was just being sarcastic. Or maybe people didn't think he was being sarcastic simply because they happened to agree with him. It seems like if people agree with him he is ok and if they don't he is automatically being sarcastic.

This isn't a dig at you paul, you are a top bloke. I just think Richie is being a bit hard done by. Of course I could be wrong too.

[Paulinus]

Yes Pap I dont want to start a war, I was with Richie on the Karma thing too he made an excellent point. The reason I took it as sarcastic is due to what I saw in some other posts I think he had made around the same time.

Richie if I have got it wrong and misunderstood you I am truely sorry, and either way I dont think you should be banned because as Pap said you have made some meaningful contributions to the group.

[pnoopiepnats]

I don't think Richie has done anything to have gotten the amount of flack he has gotten on this board. He has not been mean or insulting to anyone. Just because someone doesn't agree with someone's style there is no need to criticize him and ride him. I really do think he is being singled out and treated unfairly here to the point of being bullied actually.

There is plenty of things I have to say about this but because of being misunderstood or because of other things, I'll just keep them to myself.

[Twice-Shy]

papdancer said:

admin said:

I agree Richie... don't see the point in it all? Trying to ruin SHY forum? And I guess we are just suppose to sit back and grin about it. Shame...

I'm lost too

I'm not sure what you mean but are you saying Richie was trying to ruin the forum by suggesting people may be insulted?

If you are then if he hurts peoples' feelings he is bad and if he looks out for peoples' feelings he is bad? How is the guy supposed to win? You criticise him for being inconsiderate and criticise him for being considerate You want him to be nice but when he is you criticise him?

I doubt you would deliberately pick on anyone Mary and I hope I misinterpreted your meaning but it seems to me you are being unfair.

There is no hidden meaning. Richie made a good post and I agreed with him... regarding this post. No big mystery. If I feel someone is right I agree...

On the other hand... if they are attempting to cause problems through digs directed to myself and mods (which by the way has been goin for some time prior to the post you are referring to)... I and some of the others are trying to keep the board what it started to be with Shane the previous owner (and why I was proud to be part of it to begin with).

I am not going to continue on about poor little Richie... or any other instigator; cause whether you see it or not he is being a snake in the grass stirring up shit and standing back and getting off on making it appear like everyone is picking on him.

So... if that continues to be the focus in here... posts with be locked and deleted to attempt to calm it down. If the individual doing that sort of thing continues they will be ask to leave or be removed.

Any other forum wouldn't have taken this much from one person or given them multiple chances. I know cause I have belonged to other boards that have rules in the format posts are made, more or less, all the other junk.

I am sorry if you don't understand because you are kindof on the outside of what is goin on behind the scenes. I have tried to be fair, have given chances, tried to explain, made compliments when they are do, and do things each of you ask for to make it more the board you want it to be.

I don't even really have to give a reason or defend the results... I care for each of you. But, I am not going to be chastised and just stand back and smile or ask to get poked at some more. No one has that right to do it to anyone else. That includes me you know.

[Twice-Shy]

papdancer said:

paulthequiet said:

I took it as a sarcastic comment based on what he's said before and I think Mary thought that too.

I think that sums it up nicely paul. It's a shame people focus on what they perceive as people's bad qualities. I remember Richie being one of the first people to complain about the Karma thing because he was worried people would be upset and hurt by it. I guess that kind of stuff doesn't count. Maybe it was just another of his constant complaining and he didn't really mean it though. Maybe he was just being sarcastic. Or maybe people didn't think he was being sarcastic simply because they happened to agree with him. It seems like if people agree with him he is ok and if they don't he is automatically being sarcastic.

This isn't a dig at you paul, you are a top bloke. I just think Richie is being a bit hard done by. Of course I could be wrong too.

And if you recall... I listened to his and others suggestions to remove the karma thing, as I was trying to just do something different... not hurt anyone. So... I made it right.... so I thought.

[GreenFerret]

Guys... I think I smell hypocrisy.

When I read Mary's comment it looked like nothing more than that she was indeed agreeing with Richie, saying that pegging people with names was a good way to mess up the site. I didn't understand the interpretation that she was getting on Richie's case about his comment, but I figured I had to be missing something. Apparently this was not the case--her post meant just what it said.

We've got a bunch of people now talking about how Mary's just out to get Richie; how she's interpreting all of his posts in light of the fact that she just doesn't like him. So, who was jumping at who based on pre-conceived ideas? Sounds like the finger's pointing in the wrong direction.

[wagnerr]

Come on guys, stop this right now, okay? This is nothing to be insulted about; the nicknames' thing was meant to be funny and cool.

Guys, just remember that Mary is one of us; she is sensitve and shy, and she can make mistakes. It's nothing more than that. So let's please stop reading between the lines with everyones' posts here.

Now, let's move on to something more fun to talk about. What did everyone have for dinner? Or breakfast? Or any meal of the day for that matter? ;D

I had some cereal tonight and cheese. Wierd, i know. But then, i'm a wierd sort of guy.

[Twice-Shy]

jekawa said:

Guys... I think I smell hypocrisy.

When I read Mary's comment it looked like nothing more than that she was indeed agreeing with Richie, saying that pegging people with names was a good way to mess up the site. I didn't understand the interpretation that she was getting on Richie's case about his comment, but I figured I had to be missing something. Apparently this was not the case--her post meant just what it said.

We've got a bunch of people now talking about how Mary's just out to get Richie; how she's interpreting all of his posts in light of the fact that she just doesn't like him. So, who was jumping at who based on pre-conceived ideas? Sounds like the finger's pointing in the wrong direction.

You were right .. I was tryingto say I agree... everything I am trying to do is being twisted and turned around to be bad. This is getting to be worse than dealing with my ex and his abuse. (no... not Richie in particular, at this point)... The whole fuckin mess.

[Twice-Shy]

papdancer said:

admin said:

I agree Richie... don't see the point in it all? Trying to ruin SHY forum? And I guess we are just suppose to sit back and grin about it. Shame...

I'm lost too

I'm not sure what you mean but are you saying Richie was trying to ruin the forum by suggesting people may be insulted?

If you are then if he hurts peoples' feelings he is bad and if he looks out for peoples' feelings he is bad? How is the guy supposed to win? You criticise him for being inconsiderate and criticise him for being considerate You want him to be nice but when he is you criticise him?

I doubt you would deliberately pick on anyone Mary and I hope I misinterpreted your meaning but it seems to me you are being unfair.

No.. read the response again.

[Scotty]

wagnerr said:

Now, let's move on to something more fun to talk about. What did everyone have for dinner? Or breakfast? Or any meal of the day for that matter? ;D

I had some cereal tonight and cheese. Wierd, i know. But then, i'm a wierd sort of guy.

I was at the mall today where they have a Cajun Grill. I had Bourbon Chicken. YUM!

[wagnerr]

scotslad said:

wagnerr said:

Now, let's move on to something more fun to talk about. What did everyone have for dinner? Or breakfast? Or any meal of the day for that matter? ;D

I had some cereal tonight and cheese. Wierd, i know. But then, i'm a wierd sort of guy.

I was at the mall today where they have a Cajun Grill. I had Bourbon Chicken. YUM!

Yeah!!! I love chicken of any kind!!!! I love chicken!! And chicken loves me!!!!! ;D

Cluck Cluck Cluck!!!! I feel like Chicken tonight!!!

[Samantha]

admin said:

And if you recall... I listened to his and others suggestions to remove the karma thing, as I was trying to just do something different... not hurt anyone. So... I made it right.... so I thought.

I'm sorry if you think I was criticising you for the karma thing. I was purely trying to point of that Richie can be interested in looking out for other peoples' feelings because I thought you might be questioning the intent of his post on this thread. Seriously it was a reference about Richie, not you Mary.

It certainly wasn't a dig at you for trying out the karma thingy on the board. I don't think for one minute you ever tried to hurt anyone, I don't believe you even did anything bad. I think you tried out something new to enhance the board in the same way you have made many good changes to the board. I think the adult and the personal talent sections have been great additions and made SU a better place for which I am very grateful. Maybe it's my fault for only speaking to you when I think there has been a mistake or something is wrong but I am very grateful for this site and to you for keeping it going.

I'm sorry if it seems like I am being critical on a personal level. As I said on another post I think you are a good person. I have no doubt that everything you do here is with the best interests of everyone here. I'm not trying to play favourites or make you out to be a bad guy/girl, I just think maybe you are making Richie out to be worse than he is. I don't think this is because you are evil or anything, just that to me you might of misunderstood him. Again that isn't meant as a slight at you, misunderstandings happen all the time.

I wasn't sure if your comment to Richie was sarcastic or not. I tried to point out in my post that I wasn't sure and my reply was purely in case it was. It wasn't meant as an attack but purely to clear up what I thought might be a misunderstanding.

Maybe if I explain where I'm coming from might help to clear up my intentions. I hope you understand that this is my perception of what is going on.

To me I think you see Richie as a bad influence, some one who is trying to undermine this board. I understand you are only trying to help the board. I admit I could be wrong but I don't think he is as bad as you feel he is. I also realise he doesn't always help himself, I don't think he is perfect or without error. I just don't feel his 'errors' come from malicious intent or a bad heart. I certainly don't believe he is trying to undermine the board and cause problems. To me, you and others are seeing a threat where there is none. That to me is the saddest part (if I'm right, again I could well be wrong), I think some people are upset when they don't need to be. This seems to be very common when people are very sensitive. I am not trying to make anyone out to be bad, far from it. I am simply trying to make someone out to be better than some people think.

To me, in my own mind I am trying to be positive but unfortunately it involves me trying to point out what I feel are peoples' mistakes or errors of judgement which can come across as being negative. Maybe this is my fault for the way I express myself but my criticisms are meant to be constructive and not merely personal attacks.

Maybe I am not in full knowledge of what is happening as you say Mary. Perhaps if I had the full facts I would feel differently. I apologise if I have seemed unfairly critical or have upset you in anyway Mary. I won't however apologise for trying to support someone I feel has been unfairly treated. To me just ignoring things and pretending they never happened for an easy life only helps in the short term. In my experience it just produces grudges and resentment that are held and never lost. Grudges and resentment that in time will continually reappear and cloud peoples' judgements and perception. I guess in my own clumsy, fumbling way I am just trying to clear the air.

[Samantha]

admin said:

papdancer said:

I'm lost too

I'm not sure what you mean but are you saying Richie was trying to ruin the forum by suggesting people may be insulted?

If you are then if he hurts peoples' feelings he is bad and if he looks out for peoples' feelings he is bad? How is the guy supposed to win? You criticise him for being inconsiderate and criticise him for being considerate You want him to be nice but when he is you criticise him?

I doubt you would deliberately pick on anyone Mary and I hope I misinterpreted your meaning but it seems to me you are being unfair.

No.. read the response again.

I'm not sure what you mean, your quote from me was from my origonal post. The post before your response