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Post by shyiscool on Mar 17, 2006 5:02:09 GMT -5
The problem is that many guys view the some essential behaviour of being independent and flirting as 'being a jerk'. Things like teasing, not being available all the time, being sexually upfront. yeah, but its completely different from what usually comes to mind such as 'not giving up hope' and trying to pester the girl after its clear that its not going to happen. You can make someone like you before they write you off emotionally. If they don't like because of 'pride and prejudice' so to speak (such as I would never date someone wearing certain clothes) then its possible. If you're in a position where you even have to consider calling a girl in a way that might be interpreted as "pestering" by her, then you've already lost your position. Don't you get it? Independence of spirit in a man means he NEVER has to call a girl to try to convince her of ANYTHING. He is SMART enough to insure that SHE is the one who ends up calling HIM, which leaves HIM in the position where HE is the one CALLING THE SHOTS about the future of the relationship.... NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE MIGHT DESIRE TO SPEND TIME WITH HER. This IS the mating ritual. Men who don't get it end up going without. Any man who interprets this mating ritual as the man 'being a jerk' is too busy thinking and usually thinking all alone from his lonely bed. PERIOD.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Mar 17, 2006 5:09:05 GMT -5
If you're in a position where you even have to consider calling a girl in a way that might be interpreted as "pestering" by her, then you've already lost your position. Don't you get it? Independence of spirit in a man means he NEVER has to call a girl to try to convince her of ANYTHING. He is SMART enough to insure that SHE is the one who ends up calling HIM, which leaves HIM in the position where HE is the one CALLING THE SHOTS about the future of the relationship.... NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE MIGHT DESIRE TO SPEND TIME WITH HER. This IS the mating ritual. Men who don't get it end up going without. Any man who interprets this mating ritual as the man 'being a jerk' is too busy thinking and usually thinking all alone from his lonely bed. PERIOD. HOGWASH! Men pursue and court. You are assuming far too much thinking just because a woman takes initiative or calls, the man is in control. Do you have a gf?
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 17, 2006 5:10:14 GMT -5
P.S. This process is known as "Breaking the Girl". Once you set up the relationship properly and you are confident that you are capable of maintaining the control that you have worked, you will be free to express your love freely an openly in every circumstance, and you will be able to shower your girl with phone calls and other expressions of affection AS YOU WISH. This is what you both want. But it won't work unless you have first set the foundation.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 17, 2006 5:17:22 GMT -5
If you're in a position where you even have to consider calling a girl in a way that might be interpreted as "pestering" by her, then you've already lost your position. Don't you get it? Independence of spirit in a man means he NEVER has to call a girl to try to convince her of ANYTHING. He is SMART enough to insure that SHE is the one who ends up calling HIM, which leaves HIM in the position where HE is the one CALLING THE SHOTS about the future of the relationship.... NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE MIGHT DESIRE TO SPEND TIME WITH HER. This IS the mating ritual. Men who don't get it end up going without. Any man who interprets this mating ritual as the man 'being a jerk' is too busy thinking and usually thinking all alone from his lonely bed. PERIOD. HOGWASH! Men pursue and court. You are assuming far too much thinking just because a woman takes initiative or calls, the man is in control. Do you have a gf? In response to your final sentences above: It doesn't matter if a woman takes initiative in the courtship, nor does it matter whether it is she who makes the initial calls. We are working this thread according to the question of the original person who first posted, who is wondering about the concept about why 'nice guys finish last'. It's not a post about female initiative in pursuing a relationship. My responses are geared to showing the guy who started the post that the idea that "girls rule" is patently false, and that it is actually the opposite that is true, meaning that in successful relationships, it is the self-confident man who rules. Furthermore, the healthy woman is waiting exactly for this kind of man to step up to the plate. There is no such thing as equality of genders when it comes to courtship and controlling the destiny of a dating relationship. If the guy who started the thread picks up the thread again, I will proceed to show him and anyone else interested why it is human nature that the man must rule in this way in order to succeed with women, and I will also demonstrate the failures of the feminist theories that are usually launched against the truth that I am positing here. I appreciate your comments on my comments, thank you for your participation. But let's get one thing straight: what I am proposing here is not HOGWASH. Any man worth his salt will be able to understand in his heart that I am telling him the truth, because what I am telling him, he already sees happening with his own eyes in the real world. And while you might have a hard time finding a woman to admit it openly here on this forum, you won't find one who discounts what I am saying in her heart of hearts, because she knows the truth too, and she is also waiting for the kind of guy I'm talking about to come along to sweep her off her feet. Whether or not I have a girlfriend is irrelevant. In fact, you can't even be sure whether I am really a man to start with. Therefore, if I decide to post to this thread, my ideas will be taken for their worth, and not for any side idea about my gender or whether or not I have a significant other.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Mar 17, 2006 5:34:21 GMT -5
Whether or not I have a girlfriend is irrelevant. In fact, you can't even be sure whether I am really a man to start with. Therefore, if I decide to post to this thread, my ideas will be taken for their worth, and not for any side idea about my gener or whether or not I have a significant other. I like how the guys who don't have gfs have the most advice for getting one. Kinda like people with no kids have tons of parenting advice. ps where is SS when you need him? ;D
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 17, 2006 5:48:03 GMT -5
Whether or not I have a girlfriend is irrelevant. In fact, you can't even be sure whether I am really a man to start with. Therefore, if I decide to post to this thread, my ideas will be taken for their worth, and not for any side idea about my gener or whether or not I have a significant other. I like how the guys who don't have gfs have the most advice for getting one. Kinda like people with no kids have tons of parenting advice. ps where is SS when you need him? ;D Nice try Snot Pnats, but anyone reading the thread will notice how you sidestepped my logic and sort of threw in the towel with your comments that followed. We have conversed in other threads, and let me tell you and everyone that I enjoy your company very much, I like you alot, and I'm very glad to find you here on this website. But if you want to argue a point with me, you'll need to know what you're talking about, and you'll need to be able to defend your position point for point. Thank you for your participation, I appreciate it very much.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Mar 17, 2006 7:01:34 GMT -5
Thank you for your participation, I appreciate it very much. Logic and logical fallacies lol so you wanna go eh? Bad move space cadet There are plenty of holes but I'll just start with two. 1. Reaching a conclusion with no evidence. 2. Demanding opponents disprove your theory rather than you supporting it. Checkmate Save you patronization for someone else.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 17, 2006 10:01:35 GMT -5
prove and disprove any theories you want nice guys finish last checkmate
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Mar 17, 2006 10:04:08 GMT -5
prove and disprove any theories you want nice guys finish last checkmate produce the evidence
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Post by MrNice on Mar 17, 2006 10:12:55 GMT -5
I don't need to produce it. Its in front of your eyes.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Mar 17, 2006 10:29:19 GMT -5
I don't need to produce it. Its in front of your eyes. Actually, what is right in front of my eyes is a screen and text box that I am typing in. If you want to get on board with a logical debate then do so, otherwise step off as it is just wasting my time with nonsense.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 17, 2006 10:38:55 GMT -5
The fact is that there is many guys that complain - that are told that they are so nice by everyone around them, especially the women they are after, yet they can never get the women they want. That is reality, and no I am not interested in a logical debate that would come to a conclusion that this is not so. It is. Otherwise there would not be any debate.
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Post by zaab on Mar 17, 2006 10:53:08 GMT -5
Wow, "breaking the girl." This thread is getting wierd. Now we're talking about women as is they were wild horses, not quite human. I believe in courtship behaviors, to a degree, but this is just too off the wall and dehumanizing for me to swallow.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 17, 2006 11:01:31 GMT -5
breaking the girl in this case is the same as setting your boundaries
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Post by MrNice on Mar 17, 2006 11:03:04 GMT -5
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