United Nations is a joke

[MrNice]

is it more or less a common opinion that UN doesn't really matter?

[zaab]

lsdima said:

is it more or less a common opinion that UN doesn't really matter?

The UN is only as good as its most powerful members, and if the United States openly ignores its directives then, unfortunately, it is rendered irrelevant. Its a shame though.

[wonkothesane]

Great in theory, lousy in practice and I think that no matter what your political opinions are you would feel that way. It does not help that it is completely undemocratic, but hey what isn't.

I think the real question should be, the UN doesn't work but is it a good idea to have such an organisation whose participants are aspiring, very slowly, to it's original founding ideals? To be honest I personally have not made my mind up on that one.

[pansy]

zaab70 said:

lsdima said:

is it more or less a common opinion that UN doesn't really matter?

The UN is only as good as its most powerful members, and if the United States openly ignores its directives then, unfortunately, it is rendered irrelevant. Its a shame though.

i dunno. i think alot of us would like to see them do more, but all the time spent by representatives of the other 190 nations in diplomatic efforts is hardly wasted. the UN is a worldwide platform for peacemaking, and the fact that they aren't 100% effective at preventing conflict around the globe doesn't make that effort meaningless. they address many issues of health and human rights globally. there's alot going on in the world besides what the U.S. is doing, and i think to say the UN is irrelevant might be a bit ethnocentric. if you were, say, a refugee who would not be alive today if it were not for UN provided humanitarian aide - in particular emergency food assistance - you might feel differently. i think the UN is an impressive and laudable effort by human beings to address issues such as poverty, exploitation and violence globally and deserves our support.

www.un.org/aboutun/basicfacts/index.html

[zaab]

pansy said:

zaab70 said:

The UN is only as good as its most powerful members, and if the United States openly ignores its directives then, unfortunately, it is rendered irrelevant. Its a shame though.

i dunno. i think alot of us would like to see them do more, but all the time spent by representatives of the other 190 nations in diplomatic efforts is hardly wasted. the UN is a worldwide platform for peacemaking, and the fact that they aren't 100% effective at preventing conflict around the globe doesn't make that effort meaningless. they address many issues of health and human rights globally. there's alot going on in the world besides what the U.S. is doing, and i think to say the UN is irrelevant might be a bit ethnocentric. if you were, say, a refugee who would not be alive today if it were not for UN provided humanitarian aide - in particular emergency food assistance - you might feel differently. i think the UN is an impressive and laudable effort by human beings to address issues such as poverty, exploitation and violence globally and deserves our support.

www.un.org/aboutun/basicfacts/index.html

I agree, but then there's stuff like the sanctions imposed on Iraq that had the net effect of starving the people and not the government. Some reputable organizations (Amnesty International, I think?) attribute hundreds of thousands of deaths by malnutrition on the draconian sanctions approved by the UN. I'm not saying the UN hasn't done good in the world. I am saying that their actions are as dubious as almost any other powerful, political, organization.

[pansy]

zaab70 said:

pansy said:

i dunno. i think alot of us would like to see them do more, but all the time spent by representatives of the other 190 nations in diplomatic efforts is hardly wasted. the UN is a worldwide platform for peacemaking, and the fact that they aren't 100% effective at preventing conflict around the globe doesn't make that effort meaningless. they address many issues of health and human rights globally. there's alot going on in the world besides what the U.S. is doing, and i think to say the UN is irrelevant might be a bit ethnocentric. if you were, say, a refugee who would not be alive today if it were not for UN provided humanitarian aide - in particular emergency food assistance - you might feel differently. i think the UN is an impressive and laudable effort by human beings to address issues such as poverty, exploitation and violence globally and deserves our support.

www.un.org/aboutun/basicfacts/index.html

I agree, but then there's stuff like the sanctions imposed on Iraq that had the net effect of starving the people and not the government. Some reputable organizations (Amnesty International, I think?) attribute hundreds of thousands of deaths by malnutrition on the draconian sanctions approved by the UN. I'm not saying the UN hasn't done good in the world. I am saying that their actions are as dubious as almost any other powerful, political, organization.

well, i hear your point. but the UN respects the sovereignty of each nation (in fact has been a major player in many nations becoming independent of colonial rule). as long as the geneva convention requires us to refrain from assassinating despots, the people of a country will continue to suffer under rulers who get out of hand and piss off the international community. it's a good lesson to all of us to be careful not to let the wrong people take charge of our country. and one the citizens of the US should be paying more attention to i think.

[shypsychologyguy]

this is off topic but I believe one day there will be one government that all nations will under and one religion. The pope has asked for a new world order and overtime that will come. again just something I believe.

[KidCharlemagne]

shypsychologyguy said:

this is off topic but I believe one day there will be one government that all nations will under and one religion. The pope has asked for a new world order and overtime that will come. again just something I believe.

Why do you believe this? Because of the Book of Revelation? If so, then i gotta say that people have believed that their time is the time of the second coming since forever! In the mid 1600s, for example, the devastation caused by the 30 Years Way and the political upheavals in England led many to believe that Christ was gonna do his thing. But it didn't happen (obviously).

[shypsychologyguy]

yes but if you look at the world now it resembles the days of Noah more than in those times. The flood is a parrallel to the second coming and many parables follow this theme I. E. the bridesgroom, the wheat and the tears.

revationsn mentions the budding of the fig tree and scholars believe this to refer to 1948 when Isreal became a state.

also the last days will be filled with earthquakes which seem to be increasing in frequency . the tsunami was the result of an underwater earthquake. Probly a preview of on of God's judgment that will come in the tribulation.

there also will be scoffers - heres where you guys come in

wars and remores of war

there is also a prophesy of a large army that scholars believe is North Korea

id say the world will only be around for about 10-20 more years

[shypsychologyguy]

also revelations mentions the temple being rebuilt in juruselem. There are plans to do this and the religious artifacts like golden monorahs have been made so that the temple can be built and furnished in a short period of time.

bottom line there will never be peace in Isreal until the antichrist .

two events I see as indicators as intresting
terrorism and war on terrorism this has brought the focus to the middle east

change of jewish leadership and pope occuring close together

the jewish withdrawal i which the jewish military had to lead its on people out of there land

[B]

First, for any religion, political idealogy, or for that matter any opinion, there are scoffers. It doesn't take divine revelation to predict that there will be more in the future. Secondly, earthquakes aren't more frequent, they're just getting media coverage that they didn't get prior to the past 100 years. Tsunamis aren't new either.

As for war, nothing new is going on (except for the way war is waged, but even that's debatable). There have been wars for as long as there has been people to fight in them. War is nothing new in the middle east. The mideast has seen worse wars than this one.

Why do scholars think they see North Korea in Revelation? And why do they think the "budding of the fig tree" refers to Israel becoming a state?

Finally, do you really believe the world will decide to follow one religion and exist under one government in the next 10-20 years?

[shytothebone]

People have been talking about the end times ever since the bible was written. The end times is all a bunch of shit. Just something for people to obsess over and to lay down for instead of trying to make a little difference in the world by themselves.

As far as the UN it would be nice to think that all the countries come to one place and gave a rats ass about the world and its problems but it doesn't work that way. Everyone is always in it for themselves. Its always their interests. Even the US. Which I cant blame anyone for doing that. But it doesn't help wasting everyones time and money doing it and giving all the suffering and dieing people false hope. You just as might as well not do anything and let them die.

[lowselfesteem]

shypsychologyguy said:

this is off topic but I believe one day there will be one government that all nations will under and one religion. The pope has asked for a new world order and overtime that will come. again just something I believe.

Don't forget that the fastest growing religion in the world today is Islam. ;D

[shypsychologyguy]

and the catholic church which is dominant worldwide is starting to go universal . There is a picture of Pope John Paul kissing a Quaran.

Joel Ostean called Americas Pastor believes in universalism that there are many ways to heaven. My opinion of him is that he is out for fame and fortune becuase he does not know the bible and inherited his position of fame being the son of a popular preecher.

its true that scoffers , and such have always been around but there is no denying that as of now the world is more anti-God than ever and homosexuality, sexuality and other things are more freer and are a part of our society that is many times rewarded.

[pansy]

lowselfesteem said:

shypsychologyguy said:

this is off topic but I believe one day there will be one government that all nations will under and one religion. The pope has asked for a new world order and overtime that will come. again just something I believe.

Don't forget that the fastest growing religion in the world today is Islam. ;D

And don't forget the Wiccans.

Apparently, the fastest growing religion in the U.S. (in terms of percentage) is Wicca.
www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm