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Post by pansy on Jan 26, 2006 23:23:05 GMT -5
i could never support the murder of a human being for any reason. even if you don't have a problem with murder, it's not even cost effective. and even if you were sure the person committed the crime it costs far more to put people to death than it does to keep them in jail for life (legal costs). also, a bunch of studies have been done that show that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime.
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Post by GreenFerret on Jan 26, 2006 23:26:08 GMT -5
also, a bunch of studies have been done that show that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime. Studies seem to show that very little actually is. |
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Post by pansy on Jan 26, 2006 23:35:13 GMT -5
also, a bunch of studies have been done that show that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime. Studies seem to show that very little actually is. i understand that if we could fix the court system so that cases are handled quickly, the punishments would be effective. but as it is, it takes far too long from the commission of the crime to the punishment. hey, maybe if we didn't tie up the court system with money and resource gobbling capital punishment cases that would help!  |
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Post by wagnerr on Jan 27, 2006 0:56:17 GMT -5
Studies seem to show that very little actually is. i understand that if we could fix the court system so that cases are handled quickly, the punishments would be effective. but as it is, it takes far too long from the commission of the crime to the punishment. hey, maybe if we didn't tie up the court system with money and resource gobbling capital punishment cases that would help! Yeah, but then a lot of lawyers would lose their jobs. Do we really wanna see a bunch of lawyers begging on the streets? ;D  |
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Post by pansy on Jan 27, 2006 1:01:13 GMT -5
i understand that if we could fix the court system so that cases are handled quickly, the punishments would be effective. but as it is, it takes far too long from the commission of the crime to the punishment. hey, maybe if we didn't tie up the court system with money and resource gobbling capital punishment cases that would help! Yeah, but then a lot of lawyers would lose their jobs. Do we really wanna see a bunch of lawyers begging on the streets? ;D ;D |
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Post by wagnerr on Jan 27, 2006 1:02:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but then a lot of lawyers would lose their jobs. Do we really wanna see a bunch of lawyers begging on the streets? ;D ;D Yeah, i knew that was coming.  But then the cockroaches will be displaced!!!!  |
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Post by GreenFerret on Jan 27, 2006 1:53:33 GMT -5
Studies seem to show that very little actually is. i understand that if we could fix the court system so that cases are handled quickly, the punishments would be effective. but as it is, it takes far too long from the commission of the crime to the punishment. hey, maybe if we didn't tie up the court system with money and resource gobbling capital punishment cases that would help! Ya know, I kinda doubt capital punishment is the reason our courts are messed up.  Either way, it seems the government usually finds the money for the things it feels like doing, and not for the things it doesn't. |
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Post by pansy on Jan 27, 2006 2:00:07 GMT -5
i understand that if we could fix the court system so that cases are handled quickly, the punishments would be effective. but as it is, it takes far too long from the commission of the crime to the punishment. hey, maybe if we didn't tie up the court system with money and resource gobbling capital punishment cases that would help! Ya know, I kinda doubt capital punishment is the reason our courts are messed up. Either way, it seems the government usually finds the money for the things it feels like doing, and not for the things it doesn't. oh yeah, i'm sure it's not the only problem for sure. but i read that $1.69 billion has been spent on capital punishment in the US in 17 years time. seems like that money could have been better spent addressing whatever other problems exist in the courts that are slowing things down. the right to a speedy trial has become a joke. i totally agree that money always seems to be available for whatever political agenda is currently in power, and not for much else. |
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Post by Samantha on Jan 27, 2006 11:11:44 GMT -5
also, a bunch of studies have been done that show that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crime. Studies seem to show that very little actually is. I assume it's because of the old chestnut that they don't think they will get caught. If they did they wouldn't do it. For me it's not about the criminals life, it's about the values of the society in which I live. I want to live in a society where we differ from those we condemn not just in our reasoning but in our deeds. I couldn't care less if these people live or die. I care about whether they die by our own hand. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Jan 27, 2006 12:55:55 GMT -5
people that commit murders many times dont think of the consequences because they lack impulse control others feel like they can get away.
im not sure its purpose is deterence so much as it is justice
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Post by wagnerr on Jan 27, 2006 22:17:05 GMT -5
people that commit murders many times dont think of the consequences because they lack impulse control others feel like they can get away. im not sure its purpose is deterence so much as it is justice I consider it to be more of a societal protective measure more than justice or deterence. |
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Post by lennythegiant on Apr 8, 2007 2:23:42 GMT -5
Is it the lethal injection specifically that's so expensive? If so, maybe they should bring back the chair or firing squad.
If someone is clearly guilty of something like murder, I see no problem with execution. It may not bring the person back to life, but what's the point in keeping the murderer alive? Someone's life was taken away, an eye for an eye.
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Post by deadendphilosopher on Aug 12, 2007 21:08:20 GMT -5
I know this thread is a bit old, but I hope others will reply to my post anyway.
I don't believe in the death penalty mainly because I guess I believe that life and the pursuit of happiness should be unconditional rights for every human being. By unconditional I don't mean that people should necessarily live or pursue happiness in any way they choose if this gets in the way of other's rights, however I feel that every human being is equally deserving of these rights.
The reason I think this has to do with the fact that I don't believe in free will, for people don't choose their own motives, and since every action is guided by a motive unless it's completely random, I don't think there's any such thing as free will. I think that the sensation that feels like choice is a societal construction that is really just a battle of our motives. Though perhaps it is a necessary construction in many regards.
That said, I don't think there's any such thing as good and bad people. Instead I think there is only the majority and the individual, and when the individual's motives and therefore actions actions happen to clash with the motives of the majority, the individual is labeled as "bad" or "wrong."
In the clashing of motives, I think it is better for the individual to suffer than the majority (society), but I think the suffering of everyone should be minimized as much as possible. As a result I think that people who pose a threat to society should be removed from society, but I don't like the idea of viewing this as a punishment, and think it should be done as humanely as possible. For this reason I completely disagree with the current prison systems and death penalty. I think prisons should be constructive places equipped with therapists ect. to help those that want to and that are capable of safely integrating back into society to do so safely. One might say this wouldn't be effective, but considering the rate at which current ex-prisoners return to jail, I think it is worth a try.
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Post by deadendphilosopher on Aug 12, 2007 21:15:20 GMT -5
One more thing -
I could also be argued that abolishing the punishment of an enemy of society deprives one of one's right for revenge, however I don't really think revenge is constructive in for anybody in the long run.
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Post by jaeksmith on Aug 13, 2007 5:25:51 GMT -5
I don't believe in the death penalty mainly because I guess I believe that life and the pursuit of happiness should be unconditional rights for every human being. Do you believe that we have some kind of inherent 'right' to life and to pursue happiness? Where does this 'right' come from? I could also be argued that abolishing the punishment of an enemy of society deprives one of one's right for revenge, however I don't really think revenge is constructive in for anybody in the long run. The legal system isn't setup to affect revenge - nor even an-eye-for-an-eye. It's ideally setup to protect society. Ideally a society provides a person with certain benefits if they agree-to and follow it's rules. If a person don't follow the rules, then it has to deal with that person. Jail and death-penalty are ways of dealing with a person who is causing problems in the society. As well, the legal system does not implement the eye-for-an-eye idea. It doesn't stab a person who stabbed someone else. It doesn't tortue-to-death a person who tortured someone else to death. (In fact it's unconstitutional to apply "cruel and unusual punishment"). |
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