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Post by MrNice on Jul 27, 2007 14:38:34 GMT -5
the choice of breaking a law is not the same as a choice of going to jail
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Post by phoenixferret on Jul 27, 2007 14:56:12 GMT -5
and if a sight of a masturbating man from 100ft away in a jail cell offends her sense of beauty so much SHE SHOULD GET A DIFFERENT JOB Heh - ok, I'll play the localized logic validation game... Maybe if people wanted to masterbate they shouldn't go to jail.  That isn't logical. A prisoner "chooses" to go to jail by breaking the law in the same way a middle-aged man "chooses" to become diabetic. It's a known risk of certain choices, but it's not a choice in itself. In this country, in this era, we get to choose our professions, and if working with freaky, violent, or possibly pervy people is a big problem for you, then you shouldn't be a prison guard. You probably don't want to go into customer service, either (ba-dum boom!  ). It's like the debate (amazing, absolutely amazing that there is one) about whether pharmacists have the right to refuse to fulfill perscriptions of which they personally do not approve. If a certain, integral aspect of the job presents a chronic problem, then perhaps that line of work is not for you. The article that SP posted stated that most prisons deal with this kind of thing internally--I'm thinking solitary confinement, loss of priveleges, etc--whereas this woman and her superiors are prosecuting the prisoners. Not only does this seem draconian and ill-advised in terms of keeping the inmates from going nuts, but it's a waste of time, effort, and tax dollars to add two months for penis-waving to a ten year sentence for armed robbery. The fact that the woman seriously addressed the question of whether she called in the SWAT team with "I wish I had" strongly suggests to me that the woman is lying through her teeth when she says she doesn't have a problem with masturbation in general. She sounds easily offended, and as such I'm really not sure why she chose to be in a position in which the whole idea is to closely observe a bunch of, let's face it, bottom-of-the-barrel, icky penis-posessors in their daily lives. And it's worth pointing out again that the prisoner did not surprise her in a dark hallway and whip it out; he was alone in his cell, separated from the woman by bars, glass, and a hundred flippin' feet of empty air. If the prisoner really honest-to-god was being an asshole and hanging his dick out between the bars or shouting catcalls or leering, there is a precedent of disciplining the prisoner within the prison itself. From the evidence presented in the articles, I really can't see a good reason why this needed to go to court in the first place. |
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Post by jaeksmith on Jul 27, 2007 18:43:28 GMT -5
True - I was being rather facetious... (bad habit of mine)  For momentary bit of seriousness- I actually have no problem with letting prisoners masterbate. It does seems like an almost free way of letting them deal with urges / needs (and maybe would save a few other inmates rears ). I must say that I hope the prisoners clean up after themselves... I'm seriously unsure there's anyone who would want that job. (Yeah, I can't stay serious for more than a sentence or two  ). The fact that the woman seriously addressed the question of whether she called in the SWAT team with "I wish I had" strongly suggests to me that the woman is lying through her teeth when she says she doesn't have a problem with masturbation in general. I do wonder how serious her response about the swat team was. We all say crazy stuff in the heat of emotion. If she was serious, then, yeah, I'd be leary of her. If, on the other hand, she was getting upset with the way people handled her ideals, then it's easy to see how such a comment would be made. As is, I'm trying to keep from personally judging of her since I don't personally have a good understanding of the situation. She sounds easily offended, and as such I'm really not sure why she chose to be in a position in which the whole idea is to closely observe a bunch of, let's face it, bottom-of-the-barrel, icky penis-posessors in their daily lives. Interestingly, there was an article that talked about how sexual harrassment in the work space is often of a similar nature. That is, women enter an already hostile situation - it's not so much a result of them entering. (Note: I'm not agreeing nor suggesting that this makes it ok - but it it has a strange parallel to the things you mention above). |
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Post by phoenixferret on Jul 27, 2007 19:21:10 GMT -5
She sounds easily offended, and as such I'm really not sure why she chose to be in a position in which the whole idea is to closely observe a bunch of, let's face it, bottom-of-the-barrel, icky penis-posessors in their daily lives. Interestingly, there was an article that talked about how sexual harrassment in the work space is often of a similar nature. That is, women enter an already hostile situation - it's not so much a result of them entering. (Note: I'm not agreeing nor suggesting that this makes it ok - but it it has a strange parallel to the things you mention above). I figured this would come up, but no, no no. Prison-- prison--is a... it's prison! It's filled with freaks and assholes. It's where the mega-wife-beaters and the violent woman-haters go when they finally do something really awful. That's the whole idea. But not only are you signing up to deal with people so unpleasant that they've been locked up in tiny concrete cells so the rest of the world doesn't have to endure them--you're also agreeing to watch them carry out their daily activities. You've agreed to closely watch quite possibly demented, malevolent, disrespectful, under-educated criminals of the be-penised sex go about their day-to-day business. Essentially you're continuously looking into the bedrooms of the ickiest men you could think of. I think you need to be abnormally tough to be a prison guard, and that means being able to handle working in an environment with any number of despicable people who probably aren't going to be terribly happy to be there. As I see it, it's not for normal people who would be offended in, arguably, normal ways. I should add that the situation would be quite different if it was the employers or coworkers who were exposing themselves to the prison guard in question. It's the difference between the monkeys playing with themselves in front of the zookeeper versus the other zookeepers doing it, lol. One big question in all this, to me, is why there need to be female guards in male prisons (and vice versa) at all. |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jul 27, 2007 21:00:13 GMT -5
and if a sight of a masturbating man from 100ft away in a jail cell offends her sense of beauty so much SHE SHOULD GET A DIFFERENT JOB Heh - ok, I'll play the localized logic validation game... Maybe if people wanted to masterbate they shouldn't go to jail. lmao. ;D |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jul 27, 2007 21:06:51 GMT -5
Wha?? So they can't help themselves when they break the law? What about that kid who got a jail term for having a blowjob. Maybe unjust sentences like his are in the minority, but still, I'd hardly say he wants to be there or did anything that deserves time in prison... At any rate, regardless of the crime, prisoners are still Humans with Human needs and IMO, a right to some level of privacy...even the violent ones. if prisoners had a right to privacy, wouldn't they have doors instead of bars? i think under the blankets during lights out is all the privacy they're given in prison isn't it? isn't that why we're all being good boys and girls to avoid prison? maybe she is a controlling whack job, i dunno. but maybe the prisoners were yanking her chain by doing the dirty in plain sight too. we don't really know do we? |
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Post by MrNice on Jul 27, 2007 21:25:46 GMT -5
ok, but why did this make it to court? perhaps her superiors laughed at her?
she said she 'caught' him doing it - it just sounds like she is really not ok with masturbation and she is out to get people
oh, well
if there a story about a female prison guard being raped by angry prisoners we will know who to blame
I don't know what its like for prisoners, but I had some experience binge treated poorly by public officials that have any power over you - and this sounds like a typical 'I get to decide whats right and wrong and I'll f*ck you over whenever if I feel like it' situation
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jul 27, 2007 21:32:42 GMT -5
ok, but why did this make it to court? she said she 'caught' him doing it - it just sounds like she is really not ok with masturbation and she is out to get people oh, well if there a story about a female prison guard being raped by angry prisoners we will know who to blame we will? |
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