"politically incorrect"?

[MrNice]

Now if keeping it accurate can get you raice baited, it's rational to think that a protest on a black church would be a deemed a lot worse. It's not even a contest.

it doesn't matter what a protest on black church would be deemed - the protesters didn't have to, and had no reason to protest near the black churches in particular. So you can say all you want about why protesting near a black church is a bad idea, it does not prove anything about the protesters. If you show (provide evidence) that they actually wanted to protest near black churches but backed out because of political correctness then you would have a case - otherwise you are just claiming to know what other people were thinking without any evidence.

[Naptaq]

Hey, they probably didn't even think of protesting at black churches because political correctness is so ingrained in their minds. I can't know what they're thinking, of course, but based on facts I reached a conclusion, an educated guess, with which you're free to disagree with.

[MrNice]

Hey, they probably didn't even think of protesting at black churches because political correctness is so ingrained in their minds.

you have no idea what they were thinking and no facts to back up these kinds of statements

but based on facts I reached a conclusion

no - not based on facts - there is no facts (or you did not present any) supporting the premise that the reason the protesters did not go to black churches because of political correctness. That is the whole problem with your argument.

you can't just assume what other people are thinking. I mean you are free to do whatever you want, but in a debate you have to back your stuff up with real evidence, otherwise you are just making nonsensical claims.

And no - spike lee baiting clint eastwood does not lead to the conclusion that protesters of proposition 8 did not protest near black churches because of political correctness.

[Naptaq]

Hey there are plenty more examples. Jesse Jackson made a career out of it.

Race baiters are a reality. They have this victim narcissistic mentality that doesn't help the black community.

The world needs more Bill Cosby's.

[Farouche]

Naptaq ----------------
Hey there are plenty more examples. Jessie Jackson made a career out of it.

Race baiters are a reality. They have this victim narcissistic mentality that doesn't help the black community.

Your "evidence" is the existence of Jess Jackson? Sorry, that is definitely not admissible. Jesse Jackson has nothing to do with anything.

You have zero evidence that the protesters have been specifically avoiding black churches. You have zero evidence that avoiding black churches would be based in political correctness; I explained this to you, and you ignored it entirely and repeated your made-up claims.

You do not have a logical point; logical points change when faced with new logic, but you won't listen to anybody but your own demons.

[Naptaq]

Look we know race baiting is going on. Do they avoid protesting at black churches because of that? You guys don't know - You say no. But I say, they do. It's not as far-feched as you'd like it to be, Farouche.

[Sweet Pea]

Dec 7, 2008 13:58:50 GMT -5 Naptaq said:

Look we know race baiting is going on. Do they avoid protesting at black churches because of that? You guys don't know - You say no. But I say, they do. It's not as far-feched as you'd like it to be, Farouche.

why don't you contact the gay and lesbian organizations that were protesting, nap, and ask them if/why they avoided black churches?

[Naptaq]

Well apperently to gays the money donating is importnat. Churches take a moral stand against gay marriage (I don't know of any that was for it) and therby encourage memebers to donate for anti-gay causes.

www.sfgate.com/webdb/prop8/

But by that donating list, it's impossible to tell how many of them are of which race. I'm sure blacks donated too, mostly for Prop 8, since they voted for it.


answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081126163953AAW08b2

Here's on of the anwsers that I agree with:

"It would be politically incorrect to protest at a black church.

The only racism allowed is the stuff directed at whites.

It is cool and sophisticated to use religious bigotry directed at Mormons"



If they could protest at black churches and get away with it, they would. Too much of a downside to do it. Protesting at Mormon's churches and Churches that are predominately white is hip and politically correct, at least in California, given the context. And it's fine. They have the right to protest peacefully.

And by the way, last time I checked Obama was also against gay marriage.

[Farouche]

Naptaq ---------------
The only racism allowed is the stuff directed at whites.

It is cool and sophisticated to use religious bigotry directed at Mormons

Holy heck, you got tired of looking to YouTube comments for wisdom, so now you're looking to conservative posters on Yahoo Answers for evidence of liberal motives..? I don't think you realize how ridiculous it looks to attempt to present this stuff as "evidence." You almost could not find less credible support if you tried.

You don't seem to know much about this topic. The reason people are protesting the Mormon church specifically is not, as the Mormons claim, because everybody is just so mean and it's cool to hate Mormons; it's because there was a VERY BIG campaign by the Mormon church to get Prop 8 passed. The church donated as much money as it was allowed, and it helped to get pro-Prop 8 ads on the airwaves. They told their membership that it was their duty to god to ensure that marriage could only be between one man and one woman; especially ironic considering their history. They were very vocal about asking members to donate as much time and money as possible to the campaigns. One estimate says that Mormons, specifically, provided over 40% of the total funding for the Prop 8 campaign. And they're not that big a minority, Naptaq, so that is quite significant.

The Mormons are being singled out for a VERY specific reason. In fact, the people being protested against are not people who merely voted for Prop 8, but those who donated significant amounts of money, time, or influence toward getting it passed.

And it is a fantasy of yours that the reason liberals aren't railing against "blacks" as a group is due political correctness. The mechanics at work here have been explained to you by liberals, yet you insist that, as a social conservative, you are the authority on what liberals think and believe, and on what they "would" do and why--even though you don't understand the situation, you have an incredibly superficial concept of where protests are being carried out, and, I might add, you routinely avoid listening to liberal viewpoints at all. Your uninformed opinion here is pretty much worthless. Repeating your theories about liberals cowering in fear of Jesse Jackson does not give your argument weight.

Naptaq ----------------
You guys don't know - You say no. But I say, they do. It's not as far-feched as you'd like it to be, Farouche.

You say conservatives are against gay marriage because of the Bible. I disagree and claim that it's because they are closet homosexuals who don't want to be tempted into a same-sex marriage. It's not as far-fetched as you'd like it to be, Naptaq. Just look at all the gay sex scandals among conservative Republicans. If you can't prove otherwise, it must be true, right..?

[Naptaq]

There's a very small precentege of people who are gay, in America and worldwide. The only difference is that Christians generally hide it - liberals don't.

If they protested at black churches, it wouldn't be just Jesse Jackson who would be on TV.

[Naptaq]

Continuation of a debate started in another thread (again).

Mar 15, 2009 13:00:21 GMT -5 Sweet Pea said:

Mar 15, 2009 11:28:15 GMT -5 Naptaq said:

The responsibility lies with the ones who allowed such out of control lending practices to happen and Barney Frank is one of the guys largley responsible.

Now I don't think Barney's ever been to Mexico, but that's not the point, since it's made up for the reason of mocking why he's hiding from responsibility by finding a fallacious reason to do so.

obviously a system itself needs to be satirized when one man can have such a far-reaching impact by virtue of his bad decisions. the first one would have been good if they had depicted the loan on the crumbling house being given to a someone who works part-time at a fast food restaurant or something. but when they made it a black man, they lost me entirely. the second one could only considered to be good satire if viewed as a satire on the ignorant, ethnocentric, bigoted, trivial attitudes of some snooty white men...and even then it's really not good satire cuz it's too reminiscent of a kid in a schoolyard hurling childish insults.

i wish i could post a satirical clip that i'd consider good satire, but most stuff passed off as satire these days is just hate badly disguised as humor.

okay, i'll stop picking on you now.

It seems to me they would be well served to restrict loans so that irresponsible people can't get those hefty loans anymore. And throw irresponsible people out of their respective offices.

You're politically correct. If it was a drunk unemployed white male that would get the loan [in the video] you would have no beef with it.

Or maybe you would. Let's just call it a person. Or a human being.

Even unemployed individual may be too disriminatory and insensitive of a description so let's just avoid making anybody uncomfortable and just shup up.

[MrNice]

the fact that it was introduced into the sketch transformed it from witty political satire to racist BS...and not funny.

I don't think so
it is a british sketch and they are not as anal about these things as people are here in USA
while the racist statement may be ill conceived, the message is correct and it is funny

the second clip is utterly idiotic

[Naptaq]

Mar 15, 2009 14:25:31 GMT -5 Sweet Pea said:

my point is that the subject at hand had nothing to do with skin color. the fact that it was introduced into the sketch transformed it from witty political satire to racist BS...and not funny.

So the sketch _{at 3:20} and I am a racist, according to Sweet Pea?

Are you saying that desribing someone as black is racist, by defualt?

[Naptaq]

If one would just listen to Sweet Pea and not watch the sketch one would think that the whole sketch is about back people screwing up USA, economicly.

Sweet Pea heard the words 'black man' and that was it in her politically correct mind.

I guess they should use 'Person' or some other PC term next time. Any desription may be politically incorrect. Come on, how ridicolus.

I'm gonna write a book 'Things you aren't allowed to say to a politically correct audience: And how to draw an occasional laugh without making anybody uncomfortable' ;D jk

[Sweet Pea]

Mar 15, 2009 16:04:54 GMT -5 Naptaq said:

If one would just listen to Sweet Pea and not watch the sketch one would think that the whole sketch is about back people screwing up USA, economicly.

Sweet Pea heard the words 'black man' and that was it in her politically correct mind.

I guess they should use 'Person' or some other PC term next time. Any desription may be politically incorrect. Come on, how ridicolus.

I'm gonna write a book 'Things you aren't allowed to say to a politically correct audience: And how to draw an occasional laugh without making anybody uncomfortable' ;D jk

i don't think you're qualified to write that book.