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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Dec 26, 2012 19:27:33 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I don't know what I meant by that. Or really understand the phrase no matter how many times I read a description of it. It's like when you're scanning a document trying to find a word and you just can't find it, but then somebody takes a cursory glance and finds it instantly. Except there is no 'someone' here.
It think I was referring to myself. As well as a loose grasp of the quote, I also have a loose grasp of the word 'one'. I'd only ever use it to refer to myself or as a number but I think it's poorly worded.
I can't really word it now, either. Erm, well, it was a reaction to my original quote of 'I don't think I'm attractive' (I would've put this original quote in but I still haven't learnt how to do that yet). I think I was trying to say that I wouldn't regard myself as beautiful because it doesn't match what I would see as beauty. I acknowledged the fact that others do find me attractive, I assume, but at that point, I think whatever point I was trying to make fell apart. I'll don my detective hat to try to sort this out.
I see 'beauty, beholder, yada, yada' as meaning that beauty is different to everyone. Which is probably why I said others have found me attractive, but that what I would see as 'attractive' I wouldn't label myself as.
I simply can't word what I'm trying to say, so I'll just assume you've vaguely got the point.
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Post by Samantha on Dec 26, 2012 22:06:22 GMT -5
I simply can't word what I'm trying to say, so I'll just assume you've vaguely got the point. Heh, this pretty much sums up my entire social existence ;D Sorry to cunundrummatise you, I think I know what you you mean. I didn't mean to get you in a tizzle! I see 'beauty, beholder, yada, yada' as meaning that beauty is different to everyone. That is the common interpretation but I think people miss a trick. The flipping things around has consequences. Pretty much everything that has physical form can be found beautiful right?. Like sunsets, cats, furniture, films, pens, even cutlery! So if that beauty comes from us instead of them it means we have different criteria for different things. So it's not just about adjusting our criteria but about what criteria we use. Urgh... I'm not sure if that makes sense but put another way, beauty is a perceptual experience. Which means the brain is processing the data and then deciding 'hot or not'. And it's that processing that matters because we have different processes for different things. It's not just about what people look like. It's about what you look for. ...I said others have found me attractive, but that what I would see as 'attractive' I wouldn't label myself as.. This for me is the heart of what I'm getting at. To be blunt: why are you worried about being attracted to yourself? It's good you don't see that! We're not supposed to! The type of beauty we see in ourselves is different to the type of beauty we see in others. The same way a beautiful cat is not a beautiful tractor. Or should I say a-tractor? huh, huh... urgh... the shame.. it burns..
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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Dec 27, 2012 8:38:36 GMT -5
Oh, Lord, I just found out how to quote. You use the quote button. I can't see for looking. A year and a half and only now I've seen it. Jesus, I'm dumb. Sorry to cunundrummatise you, I think I know what you you mean. I didn't mean to get you in a tizzle! You didn't. I just wrote the original post too long ago for me to remember any of it. You know, 10 days ago. I haven't heard the word 'tizzle' in ages. I always thought it'd be a good name for a child. "Tizzle, you're dinner's ready". Might just be me. That is the common interpretation but I think people miss a trick. The flipping things around has consequences. Pretty much everything that has physical form can be found beautiful right?. Like sunsets, cats, furniture, films, pens, even cutlery! Still regretting that username. Yeah, anything can be beautiful. It's all open to interpretation. Except cats. Hate cats. What is beauty, I suppose is the question, the tip of a philosophical iceberg. So if that beauty comes from us instead of them it means we have different criteria for different things. So it's not just about adjusting our criteria but about what criteria we use. Erm, pardon? Urgh... I'm not sure if that makes sense Nope. Which means the brain is processing the data and then deciding 'hot or not'. And it's that processing that matters because we have different processes for different things. It's not just about what people look like. It's about what you look for. Yes, nicely put. I don't concern myself with looks but this debate has made it seem that way. I think if somebody has a good heart then it really doesn't matter what they look like. If you're with somebody and looks are all that matter, you're only concerned with yourself and your 'image'. I've never been in a relationship, but surely at the heart of it is that you make each other happy and fulfil a desire of appreciation, understanding and respect from being with one another. What's that got to do with looks? It makes no sense to associate the two. This for me is the heart of what I'm getting at. To be blunt: why are you worried about being attracted to yourself? I think what I was trying to get at is that there's a lack of understanding. That is to say, others who've asked me out or told me that I was 'handsome', make no sense to me because if I were them, I wouldn't be saying that. I don't think of myself as 'handsome'. Yeah, it doesn't matter because others do and mainly because women have a different understanding of 'handsome' and 'attraction'. To the average man, that can only be looks based, we separate personality and what's on the inside from that, whereas women combine everything. 'Oh, he's very sweet, it makes him very handsome', guys don't think like that. It's a lack of understanding. That's not to say men don't think the same, but that we operate differently. The point about 'beauty, beholder, etcetera', being irrelevant, was simply a reference to the strangers who I've been asked out by, who don't know me, who have astounded me by asking me out, which assumes that they've found me attractive, to some level. It's a personal irrelevance, not a general irrelevance. I'm a walking paradox. It's good you don't see that! We're not supposed to! The type of beauty we see in ourselves is different to the type of beauty we see in others. But do people see beauty in themselves? Is it important? What is beauty? This debate will get dragged into philosophical land, I can just feel it happening. I don't think about myself that often. Maybe it's a condition of the shy. Which, you know, if you want to get rid of, it's an issue to be addressed. I'd regard it as unimportant because it's not something I want to get rid of. The same way a beautiful cat is not a beautiful tractor. Or should I say a-tractor? huh, huh... urgh... the shame.. it burns.. Do you want your coat? ;D
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Post by Samantha on Dec 28, 2012 18:29:22 GMT -5
You got there in the end though! In the back of my mind there's a vague recollection of when I first joined. I seem to recall quoting other peoples' quotes just so I could quote.. which doesn't make sense since I'd already have to know how to quote to quote others' quotes to quote. But there was definitely something. Just don't quote me on it! Oh, also, there's a quote button taggy thing. Second to last, the icon is.. I guess a page.. with a blue arrow going from left to right. It might come in handy. Just so you know, kind of a thing. Now, go forth and quotify! Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! While I'm at it, you can also change your username! Well your display name anyway. Just click: profile -> modify profile and you can change it to whatever you want. I suggest Sporky Pie. Or Mr Sex. OR! OR! Mr Pie Sex. Sometimes I just amaze myself So I've just deleted a ton of replyage because I'm drowning in waffle taking far too long. I'm also kinda confused. The funny thing is that to me, you've kind of already said what I'm getting at. You said: "I don't think I'm good looking" which is basically what that phrase means. Usually people talk about beauty as though it's an absolute rather than an opinion. But you didn't say that. So now I'm kinda thinking maybe it is irrelevant, just not for the reasons you gave. Or maybe not relevant, just redundant. But then I also get why it was said. I think. I'm not altogether sure any more lol.
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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Dec 28, 2012 21:00:24 GMT -5
You got there in the end though! In the back of my mind there's a vague recollection of when I first joined. I seem to recall quoting other peoples' quotes just so I could quote.. which doesn't make sense since I'd already have to know how to quote to quote others' quotes to quote. But there was definitely something. Just don't quote me on it! It's the simple things that are hardest to do. I have to trawl through incredibly complex HTML coding, building it up, tweaking it, adding to it, altering it, for my three blogs, and yet I was stumped at quoting. It's like when you're too involved in something to notice the simplest solution. Oh, also, there's a quote button taggy thing. Second to last, the icon is.. I guess a page.. with a blue arrow going from left to right. It might come in handy. Just so you know, kind of a thing. Now, go forth and quotify! Oh aye, I know about that, what confused me is that it didnt look like everyone else's quotes. I was trying to increase font size, change the font colour, and I was just sitting there, staring at the screen thinking, 'Jesus, I'm the thickest person on here'. I probably am, but that's unrelated. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! While I'm at it, you can also change your username! Well your display name anyway. Just click: profile -> modify profile and you can change it to whatever you want. I suggest Sporky Pie. Or Mr Sex. OR! OR! Mr Pie Sex. Sometimes I just amaze myself Well, the name has stuck and I've made comments about regretting it and usually get the comeback 'it's funny' or something like that. When I came up with it, it was late and I just wanted to start posting. So I wrote the first thing I thought of and it stuck. Spork is a cool nickname though. Sporky Pie sounds interesting. Could go for Tizzle. Or Sporky Pie and the Tizzles. Good name for a band. Not sure about Mr. Pie Sex. Depends how deep the pie is ;D So I've just deleted a ton of replyage because I'm drowning in waffleI like your waffles. Oh hang on, that sounded wrong... You said: "I don't think I'm good looking" which is basically what that phrase means. Usually people talk about beauty as though it's an absolute rather than an opinion. But you didn't say that. So now I'm kinda thinking maybe it is irrelevant, just not for the reasons you gave. Or maybe not relevant, just redundant. But then I also get why it was said. I think. I'm not altogether sure any more lol. Uh-huh. Is anything relevant? What is relevance? Who decides what's relevant? Everything is relevant to somebody. I guess that's all that matters. Personal relevance is only really relevant when it's relevance exudes a personal aim or goal. To what use is our own personal relevance? To say I'm ugly is an issue of lack of confidence, not truth. But in the same way, beauty is an issue of irrelevance, unless metaphorical, not truth. I ask the following: why does beauty exist at all? That's something to ponder whilst making your waffles.
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Post by Stranger on Dec 29, 2012 2:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Dec 29, 2012 5:59:30 GMT -5
I hate cats. What's wrong with that? Not everyone likes them. I hate dogs as well. And hamsters. The world would be a much better place without them...
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Post by Samantha on Dec 29, 2012 17:34:41 GMT -5
I hate cats. What's wrong with that? Not everyone likes them. I hate dogs as well. And hamsters. I can just about accept get not liking but what's to hate? Although hamsters are deceptive little buggers, I'll admit. They taste nothing like they'd lead you to believe. Crepuscular bastards Yeah, there's definitely not enough loneliness in the world And kangaroos would make much better guides for the blind! Hmmmm... now that I think about it... ;D Nah, you're not thick. Just human. Everything else that affects our posts is there so it's only natural that's where we would look. It's like The Streetlight Effect. Summary from Wikipedia: A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, "this is where the light is."Oh God, I'm terrible at names. Especially if the one or two I finally manage to come up with are taken! Then I descend into Rantish + Swearish. It usually works. Multi-Linguists FTW! What about Mr Pi Sex? That way it never ends! why does beauty exist at all? I imagine for the same reasons we have senses of yumminess and stinkdar. Although image and identity complicate things a bit. Yay for higher level brain functions
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Post by Sexy Spork #37 on Dec 29, 2012 21:02:20 GMT -5
I can just about accept get not liking but what's to hate? Although hamsters are deceptive little buggers, I'll admit. They taste nothing like they'd lead you to believe. Crepuscular bastards Every cat I've ever been in the company of has scratched the hell out of me. Every dog I've ever been near has attacked me or humped me. You name the breed, it's gone for me. Every... single... time. And they're not even the dangerous breeds. The worst attack was when I was walking to school and one pushed me to the ground and started snapping at me. Tried to wrap its teeth around my leg. I pushed it over with my foot to wind it and I legged it. Another one stole my PE bag. And hamsters keep biting me. Yeah, there's definitely not enough loneliness in the world To each and their own. If a dog keeps you company, fine. My goldfish kept me company. She's dead now and I'm doing fine. Pets don't conquer loneliness, they help you bear it and live with it. If you think they do conquer it, then you've never realized that they will die one day and will be slowly eaten by worms. Merry Christmas, by the way. And kangaroos would make much better guides for the blind! Hmmmm... now that I think about it... ;D I meant as everyday pets, not as aids to the blind. On reflection, a dog repellent may work better. Although a guide kangaroo would be wonderful. A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, "this is where the light is." You see, if that was me, I would've asked the policeman for a torch, since they all carry them, and used that. Yes, one could argue that you're drunk and about as loose as a set of keys at a dinner party, but, I don't drink (unless ill), so I wouldn't be intoxicated. I should've just found a policeman. Or started drinking. What about Mr Pi Sex? That way it never ends! Yeah, but where's the love? Now there's a username.
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Astrodog
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Yes I'm cute! Don't hold it against me!
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Post by Astrodog on Jan 12, 2013 23:07:21 GMT -5
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Post by missklew on Jan 13, 2013 5:45:22 GMT -5
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Post by Astrodog on Jan 14, 2013 4:40:42 GMT -5
Hey, come on, please don't laugh at me. I know I am an old fart but I still have plenty of life left in me. I've had extensive surgery in the long 36 years of my life, and that's really old for a dog. Yes yes, believe it or not I've been under the knife, or sewing machine rather, many times. But I'm still very vibrant and cuddly, with a great deal of love to give. I guess I'm like a retired nanny. My long ears and velvet fur still turn plenty of heads with the bitches, thankfully!
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Post by Astroruss on Jan 15, 2013 2:47:05 GMT -5
Hey, come on, please don't laugh at me. I know I am an old fart but I still have plenty of life left in me. I've had extensive surgery in the long 36 years of my life, and that's really old for a dog. Yes yes, believe it or not I've been under the knife, or sewing machine rather, many times. But I'm still very vibrant and cuddly, with a great deal of love to give. I guess I'm like a retired nanny. My long ears and velvet fur still turn plenty of heads with the bitches, thankfully! Oh come on, that picture was taken five years ago, admit it! And by the way, stop using my car late at night to go out drinking and carousing. Jesus, I cannot afford to bail you out of the pound anymore!
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Post by marle on Jan 18, 2013 17:24:16 GMT -5
Everyone needs an alter-ego.
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Post by marlz on Jan 19, 2013 8:53:37 GMT -5
Everyone needs an alter-ego. I completely agreez.
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