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Post by ASolitarySoul on Oct 2, 2005 11:14:42 GMT -5
I’ve been consulting with Mary and some of the other moderators over a new policy that I’ve suggested with regards to the deletion of threads and posts. Instead of actually deleting them, they will now be moved into a section of this forum that is visible only to Mary and the moderators. If you start a thread, and/or are the author of a post, and it gets deleted (or moved), then you need to take issue with it - you can now request that an explanation be given as to the reasons for it’s removal. It will then be up to the moderator that removed the post (or thread) to justify his or her actions. The rest of the moderators can also review the material in question and make their (our) own comments as to whether or not the action was justified - to render our own opinions on the matter. Also, I want to make sure that all of the other moderators in SHYUnited are aware of this new policy, and that they need to adjust their practices accordingly. The bottom line is: Everyone in this forum should be treated with fairness and respect, and if anyone has a problem with anything or with any action that any of the staff for SHYUnited might take, they should make their position known on the matter - they should lodge their objection and the staff in its entirety will take the matter under review. Thank you - that is all. Solitary Soul Image Gallery -> www.silentshadowsrise.com/All about me -> users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/--------------------------------------------------------
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Oct 2, 2005 11:19:01 GMT -5
I’ve been consulting with Mary and some of the other moderators over a new policy that I’ve suggested with regards to the deletion of threads and posts. Instead of actually deleting them, they will now be moved into a section of this forum that is visible only to Mary and the moderators. Hey! You ripped off my idea! I had that exact thing set up on my forums ( iamshy.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1123993919 ) It's okay tho. I don't mind. You'll have to PM them all. If you start now, you might be done by next Christmas ;D
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Post by Tal on Oct 2, 2005 12:19:11 GMT -5
Glad to see this idea come about. It's actually been used for several years on another site I admin on and works really well.
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Post by wagnerr on Oct 2, 2005 13:59:29 GMT -5
Glad to see this idea come about. It's actually been used for several years on another site I admin on and works really well. Yes, this should work. Any threads that are 'deleted' can always be ressurected afterwards if need be. No need. SS already threw this suggestion to us in the Mods' forum, so we already know about it. I'd also suggest adding it to the TOS as well. Just so people will be aware.
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Post by Samantha on Oct 3, 2005 5:55:35 GMT -5
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by GreenFerret on Dec 3, 2005 23:49:15 GMT -5
This has been mentioned before, but having to ignore the first five posts in the General section is starting to get on my nerves, especially since the rate of dropping-off-into-the-oblivion-of-the-second-page is so high with all the new threads that get started on here. Why isn't this "Public Service Announcmenet" thread in "Announcements?" Why isn't the "Shy United" post deleted since there's a duplicate in "announcments" already? And the map thread and MSN group thread--to make sure people see them perhaps there could be some kind of locked, pinned thread about "affiliated sites," in "General" if it has to be, but otherwise maybe it could go in the websites section--I know that's been suggested before. And since "Announcements" is now visible to guests, cannot the "To All Guests" thread be put in there where it originally was? It didn't bother me as much before when the issue came up, but there is so much activity in General lately it seems extremely silly to have all of these pinned things up here. Can they go someplace else? Pleasy pleasy please?
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 0:51:41 GMT -5
I’ve been consulting with Mary and some of the other moderators over a new policy that I’ve suggested with regards to the deletion of threads and posts. Instead of actually deleting them, they will now be moved into a section of this forum that is visible only to Mary and the moderators. If you start a thread, and/or are the author of a post, and it gets deleted (or moved), then you need to take issue with it - you can now request that an explanation be given as to the reasons for it’s removal. It will then be up to the moderator that removed the post (or thread) to justify his or her actions. The rest of the moderators can also review the material in question and make their (our) own comments as to whether or not the action was justified - to render our own opinions on the matter. Also, I want to make sure that all of the other moderators in SHYUnited are aware of this new policy, and that they need to adjust their practices accordingly. The bottom line is: Everyone in this forum should be treated with fairness and respect, and if anyone has a problem with anything or with any action that any of the staff for SHYUnited might take, they should make their position known on the matter - they should lodge their objection and the staff in its entirety will take the matter under review. Thank you - that is all. Solitary Soul Image Gallery -> www.silentshadowsrise.com/All about me -> users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/-------------------------------------------------------- One important question is whether participants in the thread will be made aware as individuals and then publicly in the thread itself that the thread has been quarantined. The reason why I mention this is because in my own experience, I have seen threads quarantined where people still participated after the quanrantine without ever realizing that their comments weren't even being seen by the entire community. It's a matter of intellectual honesty and intellectual freedom, that's all. I myself am very new to this community, so I am of course studying it very very carefully, especially the actions of the moderators. Thanks!
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 0:53:45 GMT -5
This has been mentioned before, but having to ignore the first five posts in the General section is starting to get on my nerves, especially since the rate of dropping-off-into-the-oblivion-of-the-second-page is so high with all the new threads that get started on here. Why isn't this "Public Service Announcmenet" thread in "Announcements?" Why isn't the "Shy United" post deleted since there's a duplicate in "announcments" already? And the map thread and MSN group thread--to make sure people see them perhaps there could be some kind of locked, pinned thread about "affiliated sites," in "General" if it has to be, but otherwise maybe it could go in the websites section--I know that's been suggested before. And since "Announcements" is now visible to guests, cannot the "To All Guests" thread be put in there where it originally was? It didn't bother me as much before when the issue came up, but there is so much activity in General lately it seems extremely silly to have all of these pinned things up here. Can they go someplace else? Pleasy pleasy please? GreenFerret: excellent observations.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 0:58:07 GMT -5
I’ve been consulting with Mary and some of the other moderators over a new policy that I’ve suggested with regards to the deletion of threads and posts. Instead of actually deleting them, they will now be moved into a section of this forum that is visible only to Mary and the moderators. If you start a thread, and/or are the author of a post, and it gets deleted (or moved), then you need to take issue with it - you can now request that an explanation be given as to the reasons for it’s removal. It will then be up to the moderator that removed the post (or thread) to justify his or her actions. The rest of the moderators can also review the material in question and make their (our) own comments as to whether or not the action was justified - to render our own opinions on the matter. Also, I want to make sure that all of the other moderators in SHYUnited are aware of this new policy, and that they need to adjust their practices accordingly. The bottom line is: Everyone in this forum should be treated with fairness and respect, and if anyone has a problem with anything or with any action that any of the staff for SHYUnited might take, they should make their position known on the matter - they should lodge their objection and the staff in its entirety will take the matter under review. Thank you - that is all. Solitary Soul Image Gallery -> www.silentshadowsrise.com/All about me -> users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/-------------------------------------------------------- In many other forum sites on differenct topics, the moderators will delete a thread without even posting several times over a period of time either their complaint or their concern or their intention. Instead, like Nazis, they simply delete the thread without any consideration of those who were participaiting in the thread. I hope you will not be like those site owners who do those types of things! If a thread offends you as moderators, and if you still want to show that you are not cutltural Nazis, you need to announce your concerns several times over several check ins of the principal players in the threads, and you need to give them the chance to respect your concerns by moving the thread to a different venue. Or, put simply: don't treat us like fools
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 0:59:44 GMT -5
Some software glitch above where I type a response and it ends up showing up as a quote!
Here is what I wrote:
One important question is whether participants in the thread will be made aware as individuals and then publicly in the thread itself that the thread has been quarantined.
The reason why I mention this is because in my own experience, I have seen threads quarantined where people still participated after the quanrantine without ever realizing that their comments weren't even being seen by the entire community.
It's a matter of intellectual honesty and intellectual freedom, that's all.
I myself am very new to this community, so I am of course studying it very very carefully, especially the actions of the moderators.
Thanks!
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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 1:04:55 GMT -5
Are you referring to this forum or just forums you participated in in general?
In my experience, threads on this forum are moved or "quarantined" under pretty extreme circumstances. For the vast majority of cases, the threads that are removed are the ones started by spammers and trolls. Noone gets their posts deleted arbitrarily, not that I've seen.
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Post by zaab on Mar 21, 2006 1:11:22 GMT -5
I’ve been consulting with Mary and some of the other moderators over a new policy that I’ve suggested with regards to the deletion of threads and posts. Instead of actually deleting them, they will now be moved into a section of this forum that is visible only to Mary and the moderators. If you start a thread, and/or are the author of a post, and it gets deleted (or moved), then you need to take issue with it - you can now request that an explanation be given as to the reasons for it’s removal. It will then be up to the moderator that removed the post (or thread) to justify his or her actions. The rest of the moderators can also review the material in question and make their (our) own comments as to whether or not the action was justified - to render our own opinions on the matter. Also, I want to make sure that all of the other moderators in SHYUnited are aware of this new policy, and that they need to adjust their practices accordingly. The bottom line is: Everyone in this forum should be treated with fairness and respect, and if anyone has a problem with anything or with any action that any of the staff for SHYUnited might take, they should make their position known on the matter - they should lodge their objection and the staff in its entirety will take the matter under review. Thank you - that is all. Solitary Soul Image Gallery -> www.silentshadowsrise.com/All about me -> users3.ev1.net/~solitarysoul/-------------------------------------------------------- In many other forum sites on differenct topics, the moderators will delete a thread without even posting several times over a period of time either their complaint or their concern or their intention. Instead, like Nazis, they simply delete the thread without any consideration of those who were participaiting in the thread. I hope you will not be like those site owners who do those types of things! If a thread offends you as moderators, and if you still want to show that you are not cutltural Nazis, you need to announce your concerns several times over several check ins of the principal players in the threads, and you need to give them the chance to respect your concerns by moving the thread to a different venue. Or, put simply: don't treat us like fools I'm a bit confused. Why are you bringing this up as a concern? Thread or post removal is an extreme rarity and it is almost always in response to trolls and spammers who don't warrant an explanation.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 1:23:19 GMT -5
Are you referring to this forum or just forums you participated in in general? In my experience, threads on this forum are moved or "quarantined" under pretty extreme circumstances. For the vast majority of cases, the threads that are removed are the ones started by spammers and trolls. Noone gets their posts deleted arbitrarily, not that I've seen. Hi Zaab.....I'm not at all sure that asolitary soul is talking about deleting impersonal, software-generated problem posts as you suggest. When I look at alolitarysoul's post, I see descriptions about not only threads, but about posts, and the personal pronoun "you" is used. Also, all of us know, site owners, moderators and participants alike, that spam and troll and other types of impersonal "HACK" bothers would of course be deleted. Therefore I don't really think that the thread owner's concerns were about those things. While I cannot speak for the person who started this thread, I do get the sense that the reason why this particular thread was started was not because of hack threats but instead, the person who started the thread is expressing intentions about the proliferation of ideas that the site managers might not like - and of course, that is the job of every site owner or moderator. It's already a given that the moderators will try to protect all of us from hackers and trollers and spammers. Nobody writes threads about that because it's already understood.
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Post by shyiscool on Mar 21, 2006 1:29:34 GMT -5
In many other forum sites on differenct topics, the moderators will delete a thread without even posting several times over a period of time either their complaint or their concern or their intention. Instead, like Nazis, they simply delete the thread without any consideration of those who were participaiting in the thread. I hope you will not be like those site owners who do those types of things! If a thread offends you as moderators, and if you still want to show that you are not cutltural Nazis, you need to announce your concerns several times over several check ins of the principal players in the threads, and you need to give them the chance to respect your concerns by moving the thread to a different venue. Or, put simply: don't treat us like fools I'm a bit confused. Why are you bringing this up as a concern? Thread or post removal is an extreme rarity and it is almost always in response to trolls and spammers who don't warrant an explanation. If deleting a thread were as rare as you suggest and almost always concerned only with things that have nothing to do with the posts of we humans who enjoy the site, then this thread here wouldn't have been started in the first place. Your question would be better directed if you addressed it to Asolitarysoul, who clearly is not writing about trolls or spams or hacks at the start of this thread.
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Post by GreenFerret on Mar 21, 2006 1:33:20 GMT -5
Are you referring to this forum or just forums you participated in in general? In my experience, threads on this forum are moved or "quarantined" under pretty extreme circumstances. For the vast majority of cases, the threads that are removed are the ones started by spammers and trolls. Noone gets their posts deleted arbitrarily, not that I've seen. Hi Zaab.....I'm not at all sure that asolitary soul is talking about deleting impersonal, software-generated problem posts as you suggest. When I look at alolitarysoul's post, I see descriptions about not only threads, but about posts, and the personal pronoun "you" is used. Also, all of us know, site owners, moderators and participants alike, that spam and troll and other types of impersonal "HACK" bothers would of course be deleted. Therefore I don't really think that the thread owner's concerns were about those things. While I cannot speak for the person who started this thread, I do get the sense that the reason why this particular thread was started was not because of hack threats but instead, the person who started the thread is expressing intentions about the proliferation of ideas that the site managers might not like - and of course, that is the job of every site owner or moderator. It's already a given that the moderators will try to protect all of us from hackers and trollers and spammers. Nobody writes threads about that because it's already understood. Ok, you MIGHT want to have stayed long enough at the site to see what sort of things are actually being subjected to "Nazi-like" deletions before you start crying foul. I understand from your past posts that you have a "thing" about supposedly being manipulated by The Man or something, but geeze--could you maybe give it a rest until there is in fact something real to complain about?
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