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Jan 3, 2006 20:31:50 GMT -5
Post by pansy on Jan 3, 2006 20:31:50 GMT -5
i grew up in a place where everyone had guns. it was just a normal part of life. it doesn't bother me. but i might feel different if i lived in L.A.
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Jan 3, 2006 21:23:17 GMT -5
Post by wagnerr on Jan 3, 2006 21:23:17 GMT -5
I'm not going to do much arguing here, because I don't think I'm intelligent enough to do it. I'm just going to state that I am vehemently against gun control, because it inhibits people's ability to defend themselves from criminals and anyone else who wishes to do harm to their lives or property. And a question to people who are pro gun-control, have you ever fired a gun? Have i ever fired a gun? I own two of them!!! Of course, i don't shoot much anymore. Ammo is getting expensive, and i need all the money i can save. Plus, i can't shoot at birds anymore in my town because now we're technically in the city limits. Anyway, i'm all for gun control, but i do think people need to be properly trained with weapons. This way, the criminals would be more wary when they knew every old woman-soon-to-be-mugged had a .38 in her purse. Yeah, i'd definitely think twice. So yes, i am a firm believer in the second Amendment right to bear arms in the US, but i think people need to have some gun safety awareness before they can purchase one.
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Jan 4, 2006 9:59:52 GMT -5
Post by Samantha on Jan 4, 2006 9:59:52 GMT -5
on a really bad day, it's my fondest wish to own an uzi. Oooo so you're an uzi lover?
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Jan 4, 2006 11:04:43 GMT -5
Post by pansy on Jan 4, 2006 11:04:43 GMT -5
on a really bad day, it's my fondest wish to own an uzi. Oooo so you're an uzi lover? haha..."obviously ironic"... ;D
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Jan 5, 2006 13:05:09 GMT -5
Post by wagnerr on Jan 5, 2006 13:05:09 GMT -5
I own two guns; I have a 30-o-6 Springfield, bolt action hunting rifle, which packs a hell of a lot of power to it. And i have a .410 Shotgun, which i used to go dove hunting with. Excellent for knocking those little birds out of their trees, hehehe. They taste pretty good too. I don't own any automatic weapons or handguns, so i'm not really a gun fanatic. I do enjoy hunting and shooting, and can become a very relaxing, meditative process for people like us here. I highly recommend hunting or fishing expeditions for people who need to relax and get away from people.
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Jan 6, 2006 2:34:49 GMT -5
Post by Samantha on Jan 6, 2006 2:34:49 GMT -5
Jesus would want us to have guns.
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Jan 6, 2006 8:22:47 GMT -5
Post by lowselfesteem on Jan 6, 2006 8:22:47 GMT -5
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Jan 8, 2006 10:48:19 GMT -5
Post by wonkothesane on Jan 8, 2006 10:48:19 GMT -5
Gun's suck
Why do we need them, cause it makes control and killing cleaner. we have always been able to kill people we don't like with blunt object why would we be any different now? I think it's just the mess
Hunting animals with gun- I sorry - but that just makes you a pussy- if you really have the urge to go out a kill something for enjoyment then actually put a bit of 'sport' into it use a bow and arrow or a spear and see how good a hunter you are without sights! I don't care about people hunting for food and using all the part of the animal they kill, but throphy taking and all that- for fuck sake evolve already! (I do know a good few people who hunt and yes I say this to them all the time)
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Jul 7, 2006 11:54:11 GMT -5
Post by Samantha on Jul 7, 2006 11:54:11 GMT -5
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Jul 7, 2006 16:12:31 GMT -5
Post by Tal on Jul 7, 2006 16:12:31 GMT -5
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Jul 25, 2006 17:54:21 GMT -5
Post by deadendphilosopher on Jul 25, 2006 17:54:21 GMT -5
I don't really know my point of view on this issue, but just to throw in another perspective, I know people who believe in karma (whatever you do comes back to you), and they are very against gun use. They say that if someone is attacking you and you can either kill them or be killed, than you should let yourself be killed because that is your karma, and if you kill them you will get the karma that you averted for the time being as well as some kind of karma for killing your attacker. I'm not really sure what their position is on self defense in non life threatening situations.
They also say however, that if you can protect someone you love more than yourself (like your child) from the attacker that is the better course. I'm not sure it completely makes sense to me, but then again nothing does. They basically don't believe in anything that might promote killing, and guns seem to fall into that catagory, even though yes, it's possib;e they could be put in a situation where guns protect
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Apr 28, 2007 2:05:14 GMT -5
Post by ridder on Apr 28, 2007 2:05:14 GMT -5
Old thread- I know, however, it seems to be the topic at the moment, and its all over here on campus. Also, it has taken a new twist, whether we should more strictly enforce gun control- especially to those considered 'mentally unstable.' I think this just about sums up my opinion, and I would like to see how everyone else feels on this topic! If anyone would like to see the article about this, here ya go: www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/gun.laws/index.html
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Apr 28, 2007 11:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Tal on Apr 28, 2007 11:53:07 GMT -5
Well, that argument holds little water IMO. When you restrict access to firearms, you do so towards BOTH law-abiding citizens and sociopaths. Why should anyone need a gun, law abiding or otherwise? I don't blame the students for wanting guns...in that situation I'd wish I had one, but considering the wider implications of it all, I don't see how everyone being armed would help society...it just means there more chance of someone using a gun in anger, or by accident, etc.
IMO if your society is one ridden with fear, where carrying a weapon is a necessary evil, then it's severely fucked up. Then again I do come from a society were I suspect most people never come face to face with someone (other than soldiers or specialist police) carrying a firearm in their entire lives, so I'm naturally going to find a culture where the opposite is most probably true, rather alien and frightening.
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Apr 29, 2007 21:41:20 GMT -5
Post by Astroruss on Apr 29, 2007 21:41:20 GMT -5
Well, that argument holds little water IMO. When you restrict access to firearms, you do so towards BOTH law-abiding citizens and sociopaths. Why should anyone need a gun, law abiding or otherwise? I don't blame the students for wanting guns...in that situation I'd wish I had one, but considering the wider implications of it all, I don't see how everyone being armed would help society...it just means there more chance of someone using a gun in anger, or by accident, etc. IMO if your society is one ridden with fear, where carrying a weapon is a necessary evil, then it's severely messed up. Then again I do come from a society were I suspect most people never come face to face with someone (other than soldiers or specialist police) carrying a firearm in their entire lives, so I'm naturally going to find a culture where the opposite is most probably true, rather alien and frightening. Well, let's be frank here. Really, the people that own and maintain handguns and have liscenses to carry them, really do so out of a sense to protect themselves. So i think the gun is just an X variable in this situation; before guns, people carried blades of all kinds, and even took forms of hand to hand combat training like karate and such. So what we really should be talking about with handguns is whether people have a right to defend themselves. And i think the answer is yes. Hunting with guns is a different questions entirely. Guns used for hunting, like rifles and shotguns, definitely evolved out of military weapons. Indeed, some of them are virtually unchanged from their military capacity, except for being a bit demoded. My own high powered 30-o-6 rifle is virtually unchanged from it's 1917 counterpart, except being made of plastic instead of wood. Then there are the guns that simply designed and used to kill, like automatic weapons. These weapons, no, i don't think the public should have them at all, simply because their capacity for collateral injury or death is so much higher than with a single shot, bolt action rifle. A gun is only as safe as the owner's capability to control it, i'd argue. And automatic weapons definitely are difficult to control compared to the .22 pistol like granny might carry. So when we talk about guns and gun control, we're really talking about a variety of different issues and situations, because different guns are designed for different purposes. Come to Texas, Tal. Down here, we probably have more guns than we have Texans. Many men own multiple firearms, and even some women do as well. The difference is that we use our guns for largely recreation, not murder of humans. I used to go shooting all the time, both at the local rifle range and in the fields while hunting. But have i shot or killed anyone? No. I've probably fired thousands of rounds in my short life so far, but how many of those have hit a fellow human being, a child of God and my social equal in terms of rights and freedoms? None. People who regard their firearms with little respect are the ones that hurt others, intentional or otherwise.
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Apr 30, 2007 3:04:19 GMT -5
Post by Tal on Apr 30, 2007 3:04:19 GMT -5
Hunting/defence against wild animals and recreational shooting are fine (within reason), but as you say they require certain types of weapons, not automatics. Nor do they require the indivdual to carry the weapon around day to day. Licensing clearly isn't very strict (otherwise this kid wouldn't have been able to purchase guns), but if only guns for those activities were permitted, then it would be easier to have stricter licencing and controls, with full metal health checks IMO. It apparently takes about a year in this country in order to gain a licence to own a gun of this type.
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