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Post by shypsychologyguy on Jan 22, 2006 17:31:21 GMT -5
do you think there will be a war
who do you think would win/ what would be the result
would isreal be justified in this.
Russ isnt here so it will be harder to get great answers from an expert.
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Post by Tal on Jan 22, 2006 17:55:00 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm not too sure how a war would work geographically, since there are no land borders between Iran and Israel. It would be a conflict exclusively using airpower, which seems pointless if there's no territorial gain involved.
Bu my overall answer is 'No'. I think both sides have too much to lose in a war. Nuclear weapons have historically been a deterrent from war, so if Iran was to develop them, I think they'd be like India and Pakistan - unwilling to push the other over the limit.
If Iran don't develop nuclear weapons, then they are effectively outmatched by Israel, and despite Iran having some nutjobs as leaders, I don't think even they would go beyond using verbal threats against Israel.
The only possible military action I see is surgical strikes by US/European forces, not an invasion or full-scale war.
In either a conventional or nuclear conflict, I see Israel with US/European backing winning, but I don't think it'll come to that.
If attacked, it might be. Though launching a nuclear strike in response to a conventional missile would not be justified.
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Post by Buzzz on Jan 22, 2006 18:03:43 GMT -5
That dude in Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a loon. And to think we wasted so much effort on Saddam...
Although the Ayatollah, who has total control of the military, doesn't seem quite as insane, although he is anti-US and anti-Israel.
I hope nothing happens.
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Post by Buzzz on Jan 22, 2006 18:20:17 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm not too sure how a war would work geographically, since there are no land borders between Iran and Israel. It would be a conflict exclusively using airpower, which seems pointless if there's no territorial gain involved. If Iran declares war on Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and hell, maybe even Egypt and Iraq would provide enthusiastic support to Iran. Lack of a common border isn't an issue. This is a guy that wants Israel "wiped off the map." I doubt territorial gains for Iran are his motive. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Jan 22, 2006 21:40:31 GMT -5
I would iraq side with Iran. I would think it would remain neuutral being a secular state .
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Post by Buzzz on Jan 22, 2006 21:48:04 GMT -5
I would iraq side with Iran. I would think it would remain neuutral being a secular state . I said "maybe." I don't think most Middle Eastern countries would have to look very far for a reason to attack Israel, especially in a coalition. Jeez, I hate thinking about stuff like this. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Jan 22, 2006 23:17:49 GMT -5
has isreal ever been in a war?
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Post by Buzzz on Jan 22, 2006 23:28:00 GMT -5
has isreal ever been in a war? You're kidding, right? The Arab / Israeli War, Suez War, Six Day War, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur War, Lebanon War... |
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Post by Tal on Jan 23, 2006 5:39:54 GMT -5
Firstly, I'm not too sure how a war would work geographically, since there are no land borders between Iran and Israel. It would be a conflict exclusively using airpower, which seems pointless if there's no territorial gain involved. If Iran declares war on Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and hell, maybe even Egypt and Iraq would provide enthusiastic support to Iran. Lack of a common border isn't an issue. This is a guy that wants Israel "wiped off the map." I doubt territorial gains for Iran are his motive. On the first point, I doubt you'd see a repeat of the Arab-Israeli conflicts from half a century ago. They stand to lose too much in terms of oil trade, not to mention historically they've failed on every attempt to fight and destroy Israel. You may be right that Iran wouldn't want territory though. Also, non of those Israeli wars involved direct intervention by Iran as far as I know (although I admit Iran was less fundamentalist in the past). |
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Post by wonkothesane on Jan 23, 2006 13:53:40 GMT -5
Since Isreal are backed by the west and with US weapons , they'd win just like the other wars they've been in. Are they right? Why should they be allowed have an unispected wmd programm and not iran? Yeah honestly I think I'd trust the isreali's more but still what's the difference. Another war in that region will just fuck it up some more with plenty on innocent people on both sides being murdered just like every other war. My aren't we such a highly developed species still fighting over who owns what rock. Many in the arab countries (and many others) might say Isreal hasn't got a right to exist in the first place- for me I'd go further no country has any right to exist they're all historical accidents, which power hungry meglomaniacs, usually under the cover of religion, exploit (but that show us just how fucking dumb and easily lead we are) everybody arround them to do their dirty work. It's not Isreal vs Iran- it's human against human, idiot vs idiot! and if Isreal don't like what's going on they will just bomb iran, they did it with syria and iraq- they have the best trained airforce in the world. Europe and the US will stay out of it, they know isreal can handle itself. Justified?  So much for the ten commandment- number five is pretty flexible sometimes That's my rant done |
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Post by shytothebone on Jan 24, 2006 12:39:07 GMT -5
If Israel feels threatened they will attack. They have don't it before. They can launch air strikes but an invasion is out of the question. That would be as far as it goes, but If Israel is threatened or attacked the USA and others would defend Israel.
Israel would be justified because they wont do anything unless provoked.
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Post by MrNice on Jan 24, 2006 12:55:38 GMT -5
this high development is the reason for the wars, the violence animals don't kill their own kind I have posted this before but here it is again www.killology.com/article_agress&viol.htmbecause they don't make outrageous statements like iran should be wiped off the face of the earth that is usually what happens, under cover of religion or some other cover communism fascism radical religious extrimism, whatever its happeneing in US too now, with the religious fundamentalists slowly coming to power |
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Post by sushiboat on Jan 24, 2006 13:32:23 GMT -5
animals don't kill their own kind Not true. Just to give one example, male lions kill each other for access to females. Then the victors kill the cubs of the losers. There are plenty of other examples of animals killing members of their own species. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2006 19:36:21 GMT -5
I think the problem would be if some other countries sided with Iran too,, lots hate the USA and Israel, even more so with Iraq war.
If not war then it will only create more volunteers for terrorist groups,, which is the only way to hurt the USA. Regular conventional war with us is almost impossible. thats why I believe it was Saddams plan all along, get us in there and let insurgents do the damage, better tactics and creates less support for the war here at home.
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Post by Buzzz on Jan 24, 2006 21:07:34 GMT -5
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So much for the ten commandment- number five is pretty flexible sometimes
