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Post by nats on May 23, 2006 11:04:51 GMT -5
haha, that's like the smoking ban here. It's been banned in the bingo i worked in and there was rumours that in another hall 300 people had lite up their ciggaretes. Wasn't true but it would be so funny if it actualyl happened. Nothing anyone could really do. except arrest 300 70 year olds which is never gonna happen
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Post by wagnerr on May 23, 2006 11:24:30 GMT -5
If marijuana is legalized, that just means more of it will be on the market for purchase and consumption, meaning more people will become addicted to it and suffer from it's malignant effects. I say keep it illegal. Certainly lots of people smoke it anyways, but if it were put on the consumer market, more people would abuse it. It's a simple matter of economics. People do not buy as much of a product that is tough to acquire, and often the prices are higher as a result. They will purchase a product that is easier top aquire, by and large, often becuase the prices are cheaper. Put marijuana on the market, and more people will smoke it, not less.
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 23, 2006 12:18:19 GMT -5
If marijuana is legalized, that just means more of it will be on the market for purchase and consumption, meaning more people will become addicted to it and suffer from it's malignant effects. huh? like what?
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Post by wagnerr on May 24, 2006 1:10:35 GMT -5
If marijuana is legalized, that just means more of it will be on the market for purchase and consumption, meaning more people will become addicted to it and suffer from it's malignant effects. huh? like what? What do you mean like what? I assume this is a rhetorical question, Miss Psychologist. I mean more people will smoke it and develop lung problems, throat problems, cancers of all kinds, and kill off a shit load of brain cells, not to mention probably kill themselves and a bunch of others on the road in a car accident, or while using heavy machinery. All the more reason to control its avalibility on the market; i'm very relieved to know it's illegal. Sure, some stupid people will always play rebel and seek out drug usage, illegal or not. But most people do not, thank God. Marijuana is at least as bad as tobbaco usage in this regard, but causes much more problems than a cigarrette would. And no medical doctor can tell me that it's a harmless substance, because i've seen it's ill effects occur right in front of my eyes.
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 24, 2006 1:20:44 GMT -5
huh? like what? What do you mean like what? I assume this is a rhetorical question, Miss Psychologist. I mean more people will smoke it and develop lung problems, throat problems, cancers of all kinds, and kill off a shit load of brain cells, not to mention probably kill themselves and a bunch of others on the road in a car accident, or while using heavy machinery. All the more reason to control its avalibility on the market; i'm very relieved to know it's illegal. Sure, some stupid people will always play rebel and seek out drug usage, illegal or not. But most people do not, thank God. Marijuana is at least as bad as tobbaco usage in this regard, but causes much more problems than a cigarrette would. And no medical doctor can tell me that it's a harmless substance, because i've seen it's ill effects occur right in front of my eyes. your use of the word 'malignant' threw me. especially since marijuana has been discovered to have a cancer prevention properties. tobacco and alcohol are legal, let's not forget. i'd still much rather drivers were under the influence of pot than alcohol.
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Post by wagnerr on May 24, 2006 1:24:45 GMT -5
What do you mean like what? I assume this is a rhetorical question, Miss Psychologist. I mean more people will smoke it and develop lung problems, throat problems, cancers of all kinds, and kill off a shit load of brain cells, not to mention probably kill themselves and a bunch of others on the road in a car accident, or while using heavy machinery. All the more reason to control its avalibility on the market; i'm very relieved to know it's illegal. Sure, some stupid people will always play rebel and seek out drug usage, illegal or not. But most people do not, thank God. Marijuana is at least as bad as tobbaco usage in this regard, but causes much more problems than a cigarrette would. And no medical doctor can tell me that it's a harmless substance, because i've seen it's ill effects occur right in front of my eyes. your use of the word 'malignant' threw me. especially since marijuana has been discovered to have a cancer prevention properties. tobacco and alcohol are legal, let's not forget. i'd still much rather drivers were under the influence of pot than alcohol. I wouldn't. Besides, i'd much rather see alcohol and tobacco made illegal too. People have enough problems in their lives without turning to substance abuse of this nature. As for marijuana having cancer preventive properties, that's the biggest bunch of bs i've ever heard. I wonder how many doped up doctors made that up?
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 24, 2006 1:31:47 GMT -5
your use of the word 'malignant' threw me. especially since marijuana has been discovered to have a cancer prevention properties. tobacco and alcohol are legal, let's not forget. i'd still much rather drivers were under the influence of pot than alcohol. I wouldn't. Besides, i'd much rather see alcohol and tobacco made illegal too. People have enough problems in their lives without turning to substance abuse of this nature. As for marijuana having cancer preventive properties, that's the biggest bunch of bs i've ever heard. I wonder how many doped up doctors made that up? okay...the world according to russ...no alcohol, no tobacco, no marijuana...big brother taking care of you. no thanks. besides, we already tried prohibition. it just made everything worse. as a historian i'm sure you know that. and if the same doctors say something you agree with, i'm sure you'd be happy to agree with them. come on.
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Post by wagnerr on May 24, 2006 1:48:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't. Besides, i'd much rather see alcohol and tobacco made illegal too. People have enough problems in their lives without turning to substance abuse of this nature. As for marijuana having cancer preventive properties, that's the biggest bunch of bs i've ever heard. I wonder how many doped up doctors made that up? okay...the world according to russ...no alcohol, no tobacco, no marijuana...big brother taking care of you. no thanks. besides, we already tried prohibition. it just made everything worse. as a historian i'm sure you know that. and if the same doctors say something you agree with, i'm sure you'd be happy to agree with them. come on. Nope, probably not. Too much medical research going on nowadays to trust it all. I'm hardly a medical expert, but i'm smart enough to stay away from drugs, including tobacco and alcohol. Yes, i used to drink a lot, but my drinking is becoming more and more infrequent; eventually, i will quit entirely. No more alcohol for me, thank you very much. Prohibition didn't work well because it was not actively enforced. And as a historian, yes, i know what i'm talking about. The technology for shipping control did not exist as good at the time, and the politcians would not support active legislation to create laws to support effective enforcment of prohibition. Alcoholism was much more serious then in the US than it is now, precisely because people are more aware of the ill effects now, thanks to med technology. Medical stuff is fine, when used properly and sensibly of course. Improved communications has also helped the spread the word better too. The gospel according to Russ? Hmm, i rather like the sound of that. "Hear me all my people!! Thou shalt not screw up your life with mind altering substances, nor mess up your family's life in the process of your addiction! Thou should not abuse any substance, for fear or it turning you into a mindless, drooling slob!" Yes, i do like the sound of that. You've inspired me, Pea. I shall write the Gospel according to Russ, bent on teaching people common sense and clear thinking. And yes, i'm all in favor of banning both tobacco and alcohol along with the other types too. So?
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 24, 2006 2:08:32 GMT -5
any law has to have the mandate of the people to be enforceable. if a law isn't respected it will not be obeyed. it will be ignored by the people and eventually by law enforcement. Prohibition was repealed in a popular vote by a 3 to 1 margin. it did not have the support of the populace, plain and simple.
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Post by iroseiroared3 on May 24, 2006 2:52:01 GMT -5
I agree, if you are going to keep other drugs illegal then why not ban them all. Although I do kind of agree with the thought that it's taking away a person's freedom from experimenting and putting into their bodies what they choose.. why not keep it legal if drinking is legal. I would much rather smoke up anyday than get drunk. For some reason just the thought that this drink makes you feel like this.. maybe just because it's going into your stomach and I imagine what it must feel like throwing it back up or something.. just makes me sick. So maybe it's just a personal thing but if you're going to ban marijuana then ban alcohol too because I don't like it! lol
Here's another question.. since people have thought I was drunk or high, and I get a lot of the symptoms of that from my lack of sleep, does that mean if I don't sleep enough I will be arrested? ;D
Well legal or not legal I wouldn't feel like a bad person for trying drugs and I'm sure at some point I will try something just for the experience. I guess that's why I see drinking as different, it seems like that's more used for people to drown their sorrows and it just smells bad while experimenting with other drugs seems like a more purposeful thing. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on May 24, 2006 3:34:05 GMT -5
Alcohol should be illegal but that is just wishful thinking and would never happen or be able to be enforced.
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Post by walls on May 24, 2006 8:31:44 GMT -5
This quote sums up my philosophy on drug legalization:
"I, as a responsible, adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border... What biochemical reactions I choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws or preferences of any other person!"
from Pihkal by Alexander & Ann Shulgin
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 24, 2006 14:48:40 GMT -5
This quote sums up my philosophy on drug legalization: "I, as a responsible, adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border... What biochemical reactions I choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws or preferences of any other person!" from Pihkal by Alexander & Ann Shulgin amen, brother. i'm particulary interested personally in controlling what substances are allowed to enter my body. the government should not be promoting involuntary medication, but they do.
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Post by annaa on May 28, 2006 18:48:49 GMT -5
I know this was similar to what Cataldo was saying, but there are much more important 'crimes' to worry about than smoking cannabis. Although, cannabis is said to cause severe mental health issues, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone (suffering from them myself). I don't know, it's a difficult one.
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Post by skyhint on May 30, 2006 1:12:13 GMT -5
This quote sums up my philosophy on drug legalization: "I, as a responsible, adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border... What biochemical reactions I choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws or preferences of any other person!" from Pihkal by Alexander & Ann Shulgin When what you put in your body has a negative effect on the outside world I disagree.
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