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Post by Sweet Pea on Jun 7, 2006 20:41:38 GMT -5
Its a side effect of smoking marijuanna, its not a stereotype. And if your employed friends are not stealing to get their drug money then they are not the people we're talking about. Ciggarettes cause lung cancer, but not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Side effects vary from person to person. isn't that the point though? if you treat all people who use marijuana as you treat those who are lethargic>unemployed>larcenous, then you are applying a stereotype. and it's just as ridiculous as treating everyone who has a glass of wine with dinner as though they are drunken street bums.
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Post by Hermit on Jun 7, 2006 21:01:43 GMT -5
Its a side effect of smoking marijuanna, its not a stereotype. And if your employed friends are not stealing to get their drug money then they are not the people we're talking about. Ciggarettes cause lung cancer, but not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Side effects vary from person to person. isn't that the point though? if you treat all people who use marijuana as you treat those who are lethargic>unemployed>larcenous, then you are applying a stereotype. and it's just as ridiculous as treating everyone who has a glass of wine with dinner as though they are drunken street bums. I have two very good friends who are smokers.. Neither of these guys can sit still for a damn minute. One is a successful mechanic and property owner who is either working at his shop or renovating the houses he owns. This guy smokes big enough to make Bob Marley blush. My other friend works with me and has just spent the last two years working two jobs to buy some property and build a house on. This guy is *anything* but lethargic. Both guys are quick thinkers, not the typical lazy stoner.. All people are different, even pot smokers. "This music is soo crunchy.. i need some more weed" "More tunes!... MORE Tuunes!" ;D
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Post by skyhint on Jun 7, 2006 21:09:11 GMT -5
And I know a tabaco smoker who does one armed push ups and another one who is a wonderful singer. But the negative effects of tobacco are still reduced physical stamina and deterioration of throat tissues.
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Post by Hermit on Jun 7, 2006 21:24:01 GMT -5
And I know a tabaco smoker who does one armed push ups and another one who is a wonderful singer. But the negative effects of tobacco are still reduced physical stamina and deterioration of throat tissues. I wasn't arguing that. We were discussing stereotypes.. And anyway whose business is it what someone puts in their body, as long as it is in privacy? when i mentioned my two friends were "smokers" i meant pot smokers. I wasn't talking about tobacco.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 7, 2006 22:02:56 GMT -5
And I know a tabaco smoker who does one armed push ups and another one who is a wonderful singer. But the negative effects of tobacco are still reduced physical stamina and deterioration of throat tissues. I wasn't arguing that. We were discussing stereotypes.. And anyway whose business is it what someone puts in their body, as long as it is in privacy? when i mentioned my two friends were "smokers" i meant pot smokers. I wasn't talking about tobacco. Wouldn't you stereotype a Tobacco smoker as someone with a raspy voice and cough who is in poor physical shape? But I provided counter examples to that. Do people still have coughs and low lung capacity because of tobacco? Yes. What I'm trying to say is although it doesn't happen to everyone it does happen as a result of smoking cigarettes. It is similar with MJ (which I am aware is what we're talking about ). When you see someone smoke a cigarette you might mention to them how harmful it is to their body and if they were to reply with 'well, I'm in excellent health' you wouldn't go 'Oh, I guess that means cigarrettes aren't bad for you after all' So your examples of sucessful pot smokers don't convince me that there are no harmful effects to marijuanna.
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Post by Hermit on Jun 7, 2006 22:18:35 GMT -5
You are misunderstanding me.
I'm not arguing in the least that pot is harmful. (or alchohol, tobacco, coccaine, or bacon grease for that matter)
I agree whole-heartedly, and i really don't know where you got the idea that i was arguing differently.
What i don't agree with is the inference that the person who smokes pot is somehow a substandard human being.
And as i stated earlier i don't think that government should be in charge of regulating whether or not people can use it.
Just to be clear.
Anyway, i've stated my opinion on the matter.
I don't grudge you, yours.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 7, 2006 23:36:14 GMT -5
"I'm not arguing in the least that pot is harmful." I know. "I agree whole-heartedly" You agree with me, but you have the opposite opinion of me???
I don't believe that they are substandard human beings. I believe that MJ has side effects that negatively affect people other than the one who smokes it which is reason for it to be illegal.
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Post by sushiboat on Jun 8, 2006 0:06:09 GMT -5
The harm of something isn't the only thing to take into account. Motor vehicles kill over 40,000 people in the US every year. How many people does marijuana kill?
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Post by Hermit on Jun 8, 2006 0:10:35 GMT -5
*sigh*
- i agree with you that pot (and other substances) are harmful to ones body. This is what i agree 'whole-heartedly' with you about, and it's pretty much the Only thing.
- I Don't believe that it's *anybody's* right to decide whether or not someone can use it. I do believe in laws to *keep* people from negatively effecting others, but you seem to be of the opinion that simply by having used it, that automatically they are effecting others. Which is Crappola.
What got my hair up in the first place:
You haven't done a very good job of elaborating on just how being a pot smoker accomplishes this.. other than to make very broad statements like this:
- where you inferred that because you smoke pot apparently you're lethergic and can't seem to get to work.
About the biggest generalization i've ever heard..
Stereotype: A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image
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Post by skyhint on Jun 8, 2006 20:06:52 GMT -5
No.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 8, 2006 20:07:13 GMT -5
It is not a stereotype.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 8, 2006 20:07:38 GMT -5
Smoking pot causes lethargy in some people.
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Post by Hermit on Jun 11, 2006 16:47:17 GMT -5
No hard feelings, Skyhint.. I don't agree with some of what you said, but it's hardly cause to be angry - and i'm sorry i got mad. People have differences of opinion all the time and still get along It's not worth getting worked up over Truce?
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Post by skyhint on Jun 11, 2006 17:16:31 GMT -5
I'm not angery with you, I'm debating with you.
But I'll call it quits if you want.
Love & Peace!
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Post by GreenFerret on Jun 11, 2006 17:37:19 GMT -5
Smoking pot causes lethargy in some people. So does eating turkey, according to studies. Should turkey be illegal? Btw, why the three separate posts?
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