crossdresser as president?

[Sweet Pea]

there's been a big stink about rudy giuliani being a closet crossdresser lately, and that it might cause him to lose the republican nomination. what do you think? should crossdressing cost a presidential candidate his nomination?

personally, i think i trust a man more who's in touch with his feminine side. too bad he's a republican.

i find it ironic that hillary clinton can wear pants all she wants to and it would never cost her the democratic nomination.

here's a clip of him dressed in feminine clothes for a roast.

Giuliani in Drag

[Tal]

I have no problem with cross-dressers or people doing such things in their own homes or with like-minded people, but I think most countries need and want leaders who'd be taken seriously by the rest of the world...and I doubt someone open about cross-dressing would be respected as much....then again America voted for dubya twice and few people respect him

[Sweet Pea]

talisman said:

I have no problem with cross-dressers or people doing such things in their own homes or with like-minded people, but I think most countries need and want leaders who'd be taken seriously by the rest of the world...and I doubt someone open about cross-dressing would be respected as much....then again America voted for dubya twice and few people respect him

so i guess you're saying that being feminine equates to not being worthy of respect in many people's minds? that's too bad.

[HybridMoment]

Cross dresser or not, I think he has a good chance at winning the Republican primary, and though it's way to early to call- I think he has a good chance at the Presidency also.

I would probably vote for him.

[Tal]

sweetpea said:

talisman said:

I have no problem with cross-dressers or people doing such things in their own homes or with like-minded people, but I think most countries need and want leaders who'd be taken seriously by the rest of the world...and I doubt someone open about cross-dressing would be respected as much....then again America voted for dubya twice and few people respect him

so i guess you're saying that being feminine equates to not being worthy of respect in many people's minds? that's too bad.

Not sure quite where I said that

I just can't think of anywhere where cross-dressers are respected and not ridiculed by the majority... Cross-dressing also suggests to others that the individual has an identity crisis (which I accept may not be true). Leaders are generally required to appear strong and full of self-confidence and conviction, so if they gain a reputation for cross-dressing, it could deter voters for electing them.

Giuliani has a strong reputation anyway so he may be able to brush aside criticism of his private life.

Anyway, you don't need to be a cross-dresser to have a moderate approach to politics. All this 'feminine side' crap is pretty meaningless IMO. I trust someone who's honest and a rational thinker, not someone who just wears a flowery outfit on sundays.

[Sweet Pea]

talisman said:

sweetpea said:

so i guess you're saying that being feminine equates to not being worthy of respect in many people's minds? that's too bad.

Not sure quite where I said that

I just can't think of anywhere where cross-dressers are respected and not ridiculed by the majority... Cross-dressing also suggests to others that the individual has an identity crisis (which I accept may not be true). Leaders are generally required to appear strong and full of self-confidence and conviction, so if they gain a reputation for cross-dressing, it could deter voters for electing them.

Giuliani has a strong reputation anyway so he may be able to brush aside criticism of his private life.

Anyway, you don't need to be a cross-dresser to have a moderate approach to politics. All this 'feminine side' crap is pretty meaningless IMO. I trust someone who's honest and a rational thinker, not someone who just wears a flowery outfit on sundays.

i hear what you're saying, but i do think there is validity to the 'feminine side' idea. our society has polarized masculine and feminine traits so completely that many men eschew any behavior that it's even possible to assign to the feminine side. as a result many men devalue traits such as caring, loving, nurturing and sensitivity.

[Knox]

just because someone does a silly skit in drag doesnt automatically make them a crossdresser, it makes them an English comedian...

[Astroruss]

I have to agree with Tal.

Sadly, our world is what it is, and a crossdresser could never be taken seriously as a leader.

And God, i hate hearing all this crappy smear campaigns on tv as it nowadays. Heaven help us if the media get any more material to work with.

[Buzzz]

I seriously dislike Rudy Giuliani, but not because he has a sense of humor. But of course, if he gets the nomination, there's no way he'll win the general election because of issues just like this.

[Buzzz]

What about Mitt Romney? A lot of my family are Mormon, and they're just wetting themselves over him, as if it is that alone that will make him a good president.

I don't like him myself, and I don't think he'll last very long in a general election campaign.

[Sweet Pea]

sounds like a perfect idiot...but on the bright side, supporters of dubya wouldn't miss him so much.

[audioalone]

I have to agree with Tal and SuperRuss on this one.

IMO the press will pick up on something and "have a field day" over it. And his being a Republican probably doesn't help matters any (in regard to the "press" I mean).

And his stance on abortion is at odds with many in his (Republican) party, that if he won the nomination I would be very surprised. (I realize I'm Canadian, but I'm very interested in world news).

www.washingtonpost.com

[Astroruss]

audioalone said:

I have to agree with Tal and SuperRuss on this one.

IMO the press will pick up on something and "have a field day" over it. And his being a Republican probably doesn't help matters any (in regard to the "press" I mean).

And his stance on abortion is at odds with many in his (Republican) party, that if he won the nomination I would be very surprised. (I realize I'm Canadian, but I'm very interested in world news).

www.washingtonpost.com

The two political parties are going to nominate who they want to be their candidate anyway; primaries' results make little difference.

But i think the candidates are trying to present themselves through rose colored glasses right now, and are probably trying to toss out as much of their 'dirty laundry' as they can, so the press won't get a hold of it.

God knows that these prominent candidates have plenty of dirty laundry as it is, so i'm not sure who i'd vote for. I usually vote for the Republicans, but i've also voted for Democrats too. But the candidate must be on the moderate side for them to get my vote. Bush is a bit too conservative for my liking, but the prominent Democrat leaders scare me with some of the programs they'd enact in office, which of course would mean more taxes.

Hell, as long as they don't start throwing money out the window like some people advocate, they'd be okay with me. I have very low expectations of politicians, hehehe.

[Sweet Pea]

superruss said:

audioalone said:

I have to agree with Tal and SuperRuss on this one.

IMO the press will pick up on something and "have a field day" over it. And his being a Republican probably doesn't help matters any (in regard to the "press" I mean).

And his stance on abortion is at odds with many in his (Republican) party, that if he won the nomination I would be very surprised. (I realize I'm Canadian, but I'm very interested in world news).

www.washingtonpost.com

The two political parties are going to nominate who they want to be their candidate anyway; primaries' results make little difference.

But i think the candidates are trying to present themselves through rose colored glasses right now, and are probably trying to toss out as much of their 'dirty laundry' as they can, so the press won't get a hold of it.

God knows that these prominent candidates have plenty of dirty laundry as it is, so i'm not sure who i'd vote for. I usually vote for the Republicans, but i've also voted for Democrats too. But the candidate must be on the moderate side for them to get my vote. Bush is a bit too conservative for my liking, but the prominent Democrat leaders scare me with some of the programs they'd enact in office, which of course would mean more taxes.

Hell, as long as they don't start throwing money out the window like some people advocate, they'd be okay with me. I have very low expectations of politicians, hehehe.

like bush hasn't thrown money we don't have out the window (only worse)?

by the way, you're turning my colorful crossdressing thread into another boring political debate! ;D

[Tal]

sweetpea said:

by the way, you're turning my colorful crossdressing thread into another boring political debate! ;D

Yeah Russ!!! Put on a flowery dress before you post in here, damnit