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Post by rukryM on Jan 30, 2009 9:19:35 GMT -5
Losing weight is easier if you're more than one. A group of people trying to lose weight together would be much more likely to succeed than a single person, that's why fat people who try to lose weight should consult others who are in the same situation. Not that it's any easy, though. Just theorizing really, but a team can overcome greater challenges than a solitaire.
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Post by Sigh on Jan 30, 2009 11:09:18 GMT -5
nelo, if you think people can just stop being overweight so easily, why don't you just decide not to be shy and then you won't be shy... if that's how weight loss works, surely any other emotional issue is just the same, right?
Strawberry, I get what you're saying.
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Post by nelo on Jan 30, 2009 13:20:55 GMT -5
I never said it was easy, don't put words in my mouth. Not everyone is emotionally damaged who has a problem and you don't have to be a hating-bandwagon to dislike other people. This is far too generalized, not to mention everyone skipped over the morbidly obese comment and went right to 'we think you hate them, so we hate you.' I used to know a girl who became overweight because she was stuck in wheelchair (walking now) for years but I didn't hate her because of it. I dislike people who aren't trying, on some level, to fix the problem. There's a difference between that and just hating fat people for being fat.
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Post by strawberrysweetie on Jan 30, 2009 18:47:11 GMT -5
shynesssucks, I just want you to know that I don’t really have a problem with anything you said. You were ranting and that’s fine. It’s just some of the responses that I saw that I found bothersome. I completely understand how, thin or not, it would be annoying to have anyone constantly monitoring what you are eating, commenting about your weight, and constantly discussing weight issues, etc. I find that totally understandable. Shyness is one thing, a deeply ingrained mental inhibition but having no will power at all just bothers me. This implies that you think it is easy. So that is how I interpreted it. Not everyone is emotionally damaged who has a problem... Okay, I could agree with that.... But emotional problems are just that...they are normally internal and you can't be sure who experiences them...not even no matter how overweight someone is. This is far too generalized, not to mention everyone skipped over the morbidly obese comment and went right to 'we think you hate them, so we hate you.' Overweight, obese, morbidly obese.....all have weight problems, obviously. But no one can discern those who just don't care and don't want to change from those who want to change but just don't know how to help themselves. No one said they hate you. My main purpose is to inform by expressing what I know of the issue. I dislike people who aren't trying, on some level, to fix the problem. There's a difference between that and just hating fat people for being fat. Well, some people think shy people just don't try or just don't want to try. Though you may think the more overweight a person is, the more they've not tried or don't want to try....but you could be wrong. I'm just saying...you can't always be sure who's struggling and who's not. Like with thin people...usually we just assume they're lucky that they don't have a weight problem. Yet, really, someone we assume doesn't have a problem could be secretly anorexic/bulimic. At least...I know I've been guilty of assuming someone to be "perfect," only to find out they have some serious problems. Losing weight is easier if you're more than one. A group of people trying to lose weight together would be much more likely to succeed than a single person, that's why fat people who try to lose weight should consult others who are in the same situation. Not that it's any easy, though. Just theorizing really, but a team can overcome greater challenges than a solitaire. Oh, I definitely think hanging around others who have the same goals can be incredibly helpful. Especially with families, for example. If all need to make changes, but only one is actually trying, then it's going to be incredibly difficult for that one person to reach their goals. Not impossible, but difficult. Whereas, if everyone's making an effort, then they could be encouraging one another. Of course, it could backfire, too. Depending on the individuals. 'cause if one person has a really bad day and all of a sudden says "Screw it," and slips back, then others could follow like dominos. In the end, though, weight loss has to be something someone really wants for themselves…and for the proper reasons. But even when one wants to lose weight, discovering the exact ways to achieve it can vary greatly from one person to another. (because there are other issues besides 'what to eat, what not to eat' to determine)
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Post by rukryM on Jan 30, 2009 18:59:25 GMT -5
I just feel the need to state that putting off weight not necessarily is the best way to a healthy life. Instead of eating less the focus should be on what's right and not. Of course the amounts of food you put inside your body counts, but its contents count more than the amount itself. "Eat right, exercise" could be a slogan for those who wish to have a healthy life. Everyone needs fat on their bodies, whether they like it or not. It's just that some have a bigger percentage than what's normal and should therefore try to replace it with muscles or getting rid of it. Scientists also talk of the "fat gene" nowadays; some simply put on more weight than others and become fat in a much quicker way {keep in mind that this is just a theory, it hasn't been proven yet, I think}.
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Post by nelo on Jan 31, 2009 1:34:42 GMT -5
Well, this went far off topic from someone's obese friend yelling at them for being thin and eating healthy. I'll admit I was a bit angry and some of other responses aren't helping, especially when it looks like you're attacking one person.
Your interpretation is off, I don't imply things are easy because I don't pour out descriptive paragraphs or nitpick. Sometimes I wish I could be more succinct sometimes.
Groups are a bad idea for some, people get addicted to being with the group and absorbing their sympathy/empathy instead of actually facing the problem.
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Post by k151 on Feb 5, 2009 3:16:01 GMT -5
To be honest, I need to knock thin people. I was cursed with these genes, I can't do anything about them, so I need to whine.
I'm a bit fat. Actually, I'm officially overweight according to a BMI calculator (BMI of 28). 5'11" and 200lb certainly isn't thin. Most of it's my fault, since I eat terribly.
Let's see, today I ate; -a bagel that was literally painted with cream cheese. -a blueberry thing out of a vending machine. -some tomato soup. -sour gummy worms out of the same vending machine. -10-piece mcnugget meal.
So I'm not shocked that I'm fat, but I am pissed that I know several people with equally bad eating habits that are taller, weigh much less than I do and exercise even less than I do. I could lose the weight if I ate better and exercised more, but my point is that it annoys me that I need to.
I actually don't have a very big appetite, I just adore any food with incredible amounts of sugar, fat or salt in it.
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Post by madiocre on Feb 5, 2009 4:41:00 GMT -5
i think what shyness sucks is showing that yeah yoyu get picked on when you are thin for being thin aswell. I have observed many people comment when a thin person eats that o i didnt think they would eat or if they perceive them as eating healthy say no wonder they are soo damn thin or spm,ething of that spirit i think when its comes to weight (possibly more so for women) either side of the fence will cop it fat people get picked on as do thin it like a warzone unless you are perfectly normal ......thats in terms of media rather then health btw because what people who have a healthy bmi and people who are considered healthy look like tend to be a bit different anyway .
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Post by rukryM on Feb 5, 2009 7:17:49 GMT -5
The BMI scale has its flaws, too. A short person who does bodybuilding can have a BMI far over 25, being classified as overweight but still be in a very healthy condition. Those thin persons who eat a lot, mostly junk food and never gain weight aren't healthy either, they're not in good shape and one should therefore not be jealous of them. Besides, some of them will expand vertically some day since most persons have their fat amount increased as they age^^.
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Post by strawberrysweetie on Feb 5, 2009 16:22:00 GMT -5
The BMI scale has its flaws, too. A short person who does bodybuilding can have a BMI far over 25, being classified as overweight but still be in a very healthy condition. VERY TRUE. But you don't even have to be short for your results to be f*cked up. One of my brothers-in-law...is very muscular, because he works out (obviously, lol..). Anyway...he mentioned how according to the BMI calculator, that he would be considered "obese"...and he seemed concerned about it, even though he's like all muscle and very fit! Those calculators just aren't accurate. I mean, I'm sure they're pretty accurate for those who do no to very little 'exercise,' but for those who are active...and are muscular especially (since muscle does weigh more than fat)...it's just not accurate. There are more accurate measures for your real BMI...but you need to see someone about that. A calculator just does not measure everything it needs to measure in order to be true.
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Post by nelo on Feb 5, 2009 16:42:16 GMT -5
Muscle weighs more than fat.
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Post by pepsi on Feb 5, 2009 21:36:18 GMT -5
Muscle weighs more than fat. Also, I think it's faster(in your case) to gain muscle than fat. Give it a try. Just, don't bulk-up too much. You'll look... nasty
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Post by Raspberry on Feb 22, 2009 0:26:46 GMT -5
i think what shyness sucks is showing that yeah yoyu get picked on when you are thin for being thin aswell. I have observed many people comment when a thin person eats that o i didnt think they would eat or if they perceive them as eating healthy say no wonder they are soo damn thin or spm,ething of that spirit i think when its comes to weight (possibly more so for women) either side of the fence will cop it fat people get picked on as do thin it like a warzone unless you are perfectly normal ......thats in terms of media rather then health btw because what people who have a healthy bmi and people who are considered healthy look like tend to be a bit different anyway . I can account for thin people getting some hell. The thing is I am still lean but I have a perfectly healthy BMI of 22. I am a good endurance runner and have started working hard recently to put on a bit of muscle to complement my all-round athleticism. I think some normal weighted people might look "thin" because overweight seem to be the norm nowadays. I would suggest actual serious athletes take no notice of the BMI as it isn't for them. I am sure marathon runner would be classified as underweight and body-builders would be obese under the BMI.
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Post by audioalone on Feb 25, 2009 13:48:12 GMT -5
If you like broccoli, go for it!!!! I like it too. I'm not a salad person, but I do love vegetables. I'm overweight myself, but I say whoever wants to eat whatever they want should eat it. good on ya!
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Post by outgoingbutshy on Feb 19, 2010 13:25:05 GMT -5
It's been said that one gets successful in any endeavor by emulating successful people and principles. So, to vilify the eating habits of a thin person won't get them thin. yes that is a fair statement Nap; and I know that you are quite logical in your thinking; however (for me), I have to say that I also eat healthy things like broccoli and chicken breast and salmon; etc.; but it must be that I have alow metabolism because I am not pencil thin. I think itès good that the OP eats salads. Myself, I am not a salad person: I just cannot get those leaves down without some dressing, and some dressings are so high in calories that it defeats the purpose. For me, in addition, I have to watch portion control very strictly to have any success at all: when Im hungry, usually I eat what I had and then scrounge around the fridge looking for more. However, lately, I haven't been hungry, and I've lost a few pounds lol; partly because of being "in love", but also because of a very sensitive back tooth that I need to get looked at by a dentist. No offense is intended in this reply post of mine here - to the O P . Just saying my personal experience. It is very frustrating, however, on a fat person's end (situation), when he or she implements the needed changes, diet and exercise, but still has a hard time losing weight. I do have to say that in fairness to them. And yes, I can understand shynesssucks frustration in her situation. Nobody should have to feel that they have to stay away from a shared kitchen because they are thin and because of their healthy food choices.
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