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Post by Sweet Pea on Mar 7, 2008 15:55:28 GMT -5
a guy does not have to be a devotee of a community or have special friends to go practice techniques with or attend meetings to find usefully information in 'that type of advice' to improve his dating life - which is what happened to the guy in the article - he did mention that he wouldn't be with his girlfriend without it I am hard pressed to believe that you actually encountered community guys employing seduction techniques. The age category for this type of thing is usually early/mid 20s and mostly practiced in bar/club scene. Additionally, the number of people that practice this is very small compared to the male population at large. Can you give an example? in any case - lifeless robotic delivery style communication is bad. no argument there. Also I am interested to what you are referring to when you say 'seduction techniques'? very good website btw this guy explains many things very well i obviously don't have time to get drawn into a huge, long, drawn out discussion of speed seduction sites...or the interest, frankly. but i find it interesting that you think you're such an expert that you can categorically deny the possibility of a woman my age encountering guys irl who are employing speed seduction techniques. did you think it was just you and a few close friends reading that stuff? you may not realize how widespread the phenomenon has gotten. i wouldn't be surprised if women become widely conversant in the terminology of the speed seducers and quite capable of identifying their fans. i've had several conversations with older women who are wise to it. the first time i realized i was encountering someone employing techniques like the 'neg hit' and the 'anchoring touch' was after i read alot of discussion of these things on shy/SA sites years ago. the most recent occurance was a few days ago. three things i've learned about guys on the internet: 1) they often lie about their age online, especially if they're embarrassed about their lack of sexual experience, 2) if there's anyone on the internet promoting a way to get laid they're gonna hear about it, and 3) they ALL look at porn. ;D
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 16:17:21 GMT -5
I don't deny it just find it unlikely can you give an example of what happened?
while there is certainly a lot of people reading that stuff, it is still a very small number compare to the total personally I don't care how widespread it gets
these so called techniques where always around - these guys just categorized things and gave them names people touch and tease each other all the time I have noticed this even between people that would have less then a positive opinion about seduction. They still do those things, they just don't think in those terms.
so?
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 17:37:29 GMT -5
Yeah Sweetpea, so what if they all look at porn? The Suffragettes knew what they were putting womenkind in for when they protested and killed themselves for equal rights... *big sigh*
I might have known you'd have your two pennies worth, Mr Nice. Have you checked out the "how the community can make you weird" link I chose? Only I think you're a textbook example.
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Post by theinfiniteabyss84 on Mar 7, 2008 17:44:56 GMT -5
This thread isnt going to end well
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 17:49:35 GMT -5
This thread isnt going to end well Probably not, but the board has been slow of late. Anyway.. I was just trying to tell Air Burst not to get too into "the community". Then someone defended the community... then I said don't bother - it can make you weird. And now I feel bad for having female parts.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 19:25:35 GMT -5
I have checked it out I suppose the community can make you weird I have never been in the community nor do I know anyone that is part of it
as for text book examples, your views on nice guy dating is a text book example of the BS that drives the 'nice' guys to things like the community
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 19:30:39 GMT -5
I have checked it out the community can make you weird though I never said anything about joining a community as for text book examples, your views on nice guy dating is a text book example of the BS that drives nice guys to things like the community I'm confused... "my views on nice guy dating is a text book example of the BS that drives nice guys to things like the community".... How so? What "views" of mine in particular are you talking about? I'm not trying to start something - i'm just astounded that you know what's inside my head.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 19:42:50 GMT -5
things like this there was more but I am not inclined to dig through the forum
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 19:44:33 GMT -5
Ah so you've quoted me OUT of context.. nice move. Seriously though - what was wrong with that? Remind me what you felt was so outragous it would drive someone to join a community of pick up artistry...? Perhaps you didn't like the fact it contrasted to what you were saying in that thread.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 19:47:04 GMT -5
how is that out of context?
pretty much everything you are essentially supporting an unnecessary one sided crush based on a fantasy that will end in a bitter disappointment eventually when guys get fed up with following this type of advice and facing rejection and look for alternative medicine
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 19:50:33 GMT -5
pretty much everything eventually when the guy is fed up with following this type of advice and facing rejection he looks for alternative medicine I see nothing wrong with what I wrote... what are you suggesting? That if it turns out this girl "rejects" him after the time he's spent wating for her, it will be time "wasted"? Thing is, I know a lot about girls and how they think. I might not be #1 hottie that guys go for, but I have friends who are stunning, who get all sorts of guys after them.. and they talk to me when they have problems with men - I witness what goes on in their heads. I'm in a position to comment on the female psyche, whereas you aren't.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 19:54:47 GMT -5
yet another common wisdom misconception that guys have to figure out
for some reason when women are faced with such a question they assume that the girl does or will like the guy (sympathy?) try to answer his question assuming the woman in question already knows how she feels about him and does not consider him a potential romantic partner
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 19:58:23 GMT -5
for some reason when women are faced with such a question they assume that the girl does or will like the guy (sympathy?) I didn't say it out of sympathy. From what I read I felt there was potential for a relationship. ...try to answer his question assuming the woman in question already knows how she feels about him and does not consider him a potential romantic partner This is you all over - always thinking negatively. I've never met the woman the author of that thread was talking about - so I don't know how she really feels, true. But neither have you met her. And yes this is out of context... all I was saying to Air Burst was watch out for falling intro a bit of trap with a 'community'. I'd have said the same to you, but it's too bloody late.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 7, 2008 20:07:03 GMT -5
This is not thinking negatively - this is trying to save the guy from wasting another 8 months building false hopes its called facing reality and not having your head up in the clouds How is there a potential for a relationship when the girl is leaving the country and she never showed any signs of romantic interest? Through personal experience and seeing this happen again and again even on this board, it never works out for the guy.
this type of situation is VERY common - and always ends badly for the guy this scenario keeps repeating again and again and again and every time the guy wants to think its different in his case with his particular girl, and there are always those urging him on
when guys have women like you encouraging them into the kind of behavior that leads them to nowhere every time that is a bigger factor in the path they chose then you warning them about something weird happening if they chose to try something different for once
don't forget you also said somethings to me - its in context
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Post by annaa on Mar 7, 2008 20:25:50 GMT -5
...this is trying to save the guy from wasting another 8 months building false hopes its called facing reality and not having your head up in the clouds How is there a potential for a relationship when the girl is leaving the country and she never showed any signs of romantic interest? Through personal experience and seeing this happen again and again even on this board, it never works out for the guy. That is thinking negatively.. this type of situation is VERY common - and always ends badly for the guy And so is that... Watch the difference in this - 1) zomg! she lovez you! loollllzzz!!!! go after her now!! ;D Imaginary quote - too positive 2) I think you should find a discreet way of telling her how you feel, but not to put so much pressure on yourself about it... My quote - practical 3) ...remember, you are completely disregarding her feelings about the matter what reason do you have to believe that she likes you or will like you in the future? you have known her for 8 months - she knows how she feels about you. its only important to you that she is the first girl you like enough to ask to dinner - while this might be flattering to her, it would not make her like you all of a sudden... Your quote - too negative ...when guys have women like you encouraging them into the kind of behavior that leads them to nowhere every time that is a bigger factor in the path they chose then you warning them about something weird happening if they chose to try something different for once... I'm sorry Master. It was not my place to comment. Please, forgive me - your inferior. [/sarcasm]
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