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Post by Paulinus on May 30, 2006 5:53:06 GMT -5
This quote sums up my philosophy on drug legalization: "I, as a responsible, adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border... What biochemical reactions I choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws or preferences of any other person!" from Pihkal by Alexander & Ann Shulgin When what you put in your body has a negative effect on the outside world I disagree. I'd agree with that disagreement
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Post by walls on May 30, 2006 10:22:09 GMT -5
This quote sums up my philosophy on drug legalization: "I, as a responsible, adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border... What biochemical reactions I choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws or preferences of any other person!" from Pihkal by Alexander & Ann Shulgin When what you put in your body has a negative effect on the outside world I disagree. Generally someone who uses drugs irresponsibly affects only a few family members. Yes, that is very unfortunate, but this is only a small percentage of people. Many people are responsible with their drug use and their use does not negatively impact anyone. Prohibition, on the other hand, negatively effects EVERYONE by creating a black market that induces crime and murder. If you don't agree with the philosophical argument that "from the skin inward is my jurisdiction," I still don't see how you can deny the practical argument that drug prohibition does more harm than good.
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Post by skyhint on May 30, 2006 15:54:24 GMT -5
more laws = more crime but in this case I wouldn't see it as any worse than the alternative.
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Post by walls on May 30, 2006 16:03:25 GMT -5
more laws = more crime but in this case I wouldn't see it as any worse than the alternative. I don't mean crime as in drug use crime; I mean associated crime, like robberies and gang wars. Those things would not be so prevalent if not for the illicit drug market. *Why* do you not see the consequences of prohibition as worse?
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Post by Hermit on Jun 1, 2006 11:41:36 GMT -5
I think that it should be legalized.. OR, if not.. then Alchohol and Tobacco should be banned as well.
My problem with this whole argument (the outside argument -not the opinion's expressed here) is the hypocrisy of it.
Alcohol is both more intoxicating and more addictive than MJ by Far, and Tobbaco is much more Damaging to a person physically, and is also Far more addictive; the severity of which is likened to heroin addiction.
I watched my dad go through two bouts of Cancer, while Continuing to smoke The *whole* time.. The first time, we didn't even know if they were going to be able to operate. We were all scared to death for him.. But he pulled through.. and like i said Kept smoking. If the fear of Death wasn't enough to make him quit, What is? That's Addiction.
Marijuana isn't nearly as dangerous as either alcohol or tobbaco, but because of the stigma attached to it 50 or so years ago it's still looked down upon as a "drug" (REEFER MADNESS!) while alcohol and tobacco go on being socially accepted.
For our own good, ALL drugs, alcohol, tobacco should be Illegal.. But do you want your government making these choices for you?
I don't. Because i don't want them to have any more control over my life than they do now. They've got more than enough as it is.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 1, 2006 20:32:07 GMT -5
more laws = more crime but in this case I wouldn't see it as any worse than the alternative. I don't mean crime as in drug use crime; I mean associated crime, like robberies and gang wars. Those things would not be so prevalent if not for the illicit drug market. *Why* do you not see the consequences of prohibition as worse? If people get addicted and cant afford more drug and are forced t steal to get it now. Then whats stopping the same thing from happenning when its legal to smoke?
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Post by airburst on Jun 2, 2006 6:14:38 GMT -5
I don't mean crime as in drug use crime; I mean associated crime, like robberies and gang wars. Those things would not be so prevalent if not for the illicit drug market. *Why* do you not see the consequences of prohibition as worse? If people get addicted and cant afford more drug and are forced t steal to get it now. Then whats stopping the same thing from happenning when its legal to smoke? If pharmaceutical companies could produce the drugs at a much lower cost than the drug dealers, then the addicts wouldn't need to steal in order to sustain their habbit.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 2, 2006 19:38:11 GMT -5
If it were legal it would have tons of taxes on it just like tobacco.
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jun 2, 2006 23:22:47 GMT -5
If it were legal it would have tons of taxes on it just like tobacco. do you realize how expensive tobacco would be if it were illegal like marijuana and could only be bought on the black market? it would undoubtedly cost even more than marijuana does now because it requires more specialized growing conditions and it's a labor intensive crop. marijuana can grow just about anywhere. many crops are sown in wild places and virtually ignored until the growers return to harvest the crop. i think the taxes are somewhat inconsequential compared to the increase in price due to the black market. the price of marijuana would drop precipitously if it were legal to grow, and many people would grow their own anyway.
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Post by airburst on Jun 3, 2006 1:38:10 GMT -5
If it were legal it would have tons of taxes on it just like tobacco. Do you see smokers resorting to crime in order to pay for their cigarettes?
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Post by Paulinus on Jun 3, 2006 4:05:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised governments havent legalised more drugs . Its the only tax people get addicted to paying.
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Post by GreenFerret on Jun 3, 2006 14:10:34 GMT -5
I'm surprised governments havent legalised more drugs . Its the only tax people get addicted to paying. Lol! Hey that's a great point. ;D
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Post by skyhint on Jun 3, 2006 14:17:44 GMT -5
If it were legal it would have tons of taxes on it just like tobacco. Do you see smokers resorting to crime in order to pay for their cigarettes? No but that is because cigarettes don't cause lethargy which makes you skip work and get fired, cutting you off from your source of money to pay for yolur addiction.
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jun 3, 2006 14:24:12 GMT -5
Do you see smokers resorting to crime in order to pay for their cigarettes? No but that is because cigarettes don't cause lethargy which makes you skip work and get fired, cutting you off from your source of money to pay for yolur addiction. i dunno. i don't buy that argument. i've known an awful lot of pot smokers who have worked steadily their whole adult lives without problems with lethargy, just like there's a whole lot of people who've done the same with alcohol. i think that's a stereotype.
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Post by skyhint on Jun 7, 2006 20:33:19 GMT -5
Its a side effect of smoking marijuanna, its not a stereotype. And if your employed friends are not stealing to get their drug money then they are not the people we're talking about. Ciggarettes cause lung cancer, but not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer. Side effects vary from person to person.
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