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Post by Ghost on Feb 27, 2004 16:48:44 GMT -5
You can always kill yourself later? I get your point, but not something I would suggest saying to someone who is suicidal (which you won't either, I know).
I think suicide is chicken out, to be honest. I can sympathize that people are so far in the darkness that they are blinded from every option or reason. But if I think rational, I would never want to put my parents through this. Or anyone else, for that matter. It is traumatic for those who stay behind.
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Post by Jarous on Feb 27, 2004 16:57:53 GMT -5
people don't know how to use the razor in suicide A pity they still know how to use guns quite well. you can allways kill yourself later Oh Sanity, this thread has indeed exceeded all my fears about its possible morbidity. You surely can do that. But there's no need to call it that way. We're all mortal, right? So, let's live every day as our last one, soon enough we'll be right about that. DON'T rush it. |
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Post by Sanity FreeZ0ne on Feb 27, 2004 17:05:06 GMT -5
You can always kill yourself later? I get your point, but not something I would suggest saying to someone who is suicidal (which you won't either, I know). Sorry, what I meant by that, was that you should only kill yourself if you really sure that's what you want AND have tried absoultey everything you can to make your life better with nothing working. I think everyone should be able to choose to live or die, but I dont reccomend suicide to anyone. I think that suicide should be a decison someone makes for themselfs but I think they should at least TRY to make things better first. I think suicide is chicken out, to be honest. I can sympathize that people are so far in the darkness that they are blinded from every option or reason. But if I think rational, I would never want to put my parents through this. Or anyone else, for that matter. It is traumatic for those who stay behind. Yes it is a pain that is likely to be with those you leave behind the rest of thier life. So yes, it's much braver for someone to stick around and try and solve their problems. |
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Post by Alecto on Feb 27, 2004 17:09:27 GMT -5
The way I see it is, even though life is difficult sometimes, I know things will improve. If I die, I feel like I would be abandoning everyone. I've been close to death before and it is a scary feeling. We only get one life, so might as well live it to the fullest.
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Post by Jarous on Feb 27, 2004 17:15:42 GMT -5
The way I see it is, even though life is difficult sometimes, I know things will improve. Exactly, if today was perfect there would be no need for tomorrow. We will all part with this life rather soon, why should we rush to meet that day? Whatever we do, even if we mess it, we are better off than dead - with everpresent chance for luck smiling on us once more - worth living, by my thinking. |
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Post by Ghost on Feb 27, 2004 17:16:51 GMT -5
I am with you there Alecto. I always believe things will improve. A few times I couldn't imagine how, but I still kept the hope that the next day, or after some sleep, after time, or after something, I would be ok again.
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Post by Jarous on Feb 27, 2004 17:20:39 GMT -5
I always believe things will improve. A few times I couldn't imagine how, but I still kept the hope that the next day, or after some sleep, after time, or after something, I would be ok again. And so you are, aren't you? Hope dies the last. |
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Post by Ghost on Feb 27, 2004 17:28:14 GMT -5
*Nods* Yep. I am not planning to give up, when there are people who have had far worse and still are having a bad time (some people I know). Brave thing to say, but it does take some concentration and postive thoughts to remind me of that.
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Post by Jarous on Feb 27, 2004 17:33:46 GMT -5
You can also try thinking that every night, all over the world, thousands of people - black and white, old and young, beatiful and ugly, rich and poor, shy and outgoing - go to sleep never to awake again. No matter how miserable you think you are, I do assure you, every single one of them would willingly trade places with you.
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Post by Ghost on Feb 27, 2004 17:39:57 GMT -5
I know. Think of all you have and others would kill to have and the oppertunities and priveledges. But when you see everything gloom and doom, it is not always that easy to see things from another perspective. It is egocentric, when you think of it.
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Post by Jarous on Feb 27, 2004 17:51:35 GMT -5
Yeah, actually if you think about it a large part of what we - the shy - do is egocentric. We mostly focus on ourselves in self-pity thinking how poor we are - everyone else is in better position then our wretched existence.
We do this mostly in secret, while others laugh at our (truely laughable) problems not so secretly.
Thus we all pity ourselves mutually envying the others' ordeal. Life's one big irony.
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Post by Alecto on Feb 27, 2004 19:10:12 GMT -5
Yeah, actually if you think about it a large part of what we - the shy - do is egocentric. We mostly focus on ourselves in self-pity thinking how poor we are - everyone else is in better position then our wretched existence. We do this mostly in secret, while others laugh at our (truely laughable) problems not so secretly. Thus we all pity ourselves mutually envying the others' ordeal. Life's one big irony. You know. I never thought of it like that. I can see now that a lot of what I and other shy people do is have self pity. |
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Post by mere phantom on Feb 28, 2004 0:48:42 GMT -5
is it really easier to get a g/f in other countries (other than the US)
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Post by Jarous on Feb 28, 2004 1:01:54 GMT -5
is it really easier to get a g/f in other countries (other than the US) If you're refering to the high percentage of Russian suicides, think again. That number is not nearly as high as to lower the male 'competition' about women. And I don't think even demographic catastrophies like WW2 would be able to do that. I don't know how 'difficult' it is in the US. But here, in the Czechia (not former Soviet Union, mind you, but still east of the iron curtain), it's not exactly easy (for me at least, it's a relative statement). From what I know about the USA, it's about the same. |
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Post by CaryGrant on Feb 28, 2004 11:22:30 GMT -5
Hi Phantom - from what I've heard, it is much easier for a foreigner to get a g/f. Even as a Canadian in the US, I had a higher initial level of interest because of the novelty value. The more different the culture, the higher your novelty value. I have spoken with many men who have taught overseas, and they had no problem getting g/fs, and in many cases, ended up married. You do have to be careful that you are not simply seen as a ticket out of a bad situation, though, and none of this takes the work out of relationships.
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