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Post by wagnerr on Feb 9, 2006 22:06:17 GMT -5
he is making up for being a weak/ passive president through his post presidential activism/crap. oh by the way zaab you dodged the question this is a fair question to ask. is it appropriate behavior from the dems regardless of the president. say this happens with republicans with a democratic president would it be acceptable. Come on SPG, you can't deny that W Bush is not controversial. He IS very controversial, but every and ANY politician is gonna be controversial during war times in a representative society like ours, especially war times like these, where the enemy could be anywhere. If Bush didn't take such a firm stance against abortion, i doubt i'd have voted for him. I am a firm believer in free market economics and limited govt, but the govt also make an effort to help the poor and disadvantaged in any country. Bush certainly is bending the rules as far as terrorism is concerned, but i think the phone taps are justifiable, as long as they are covering calls coming from outside the country from suspected terrorist cells. This is one instance where i think our exalted civil liberties can be subverged for a time, in favor of increased security. I'd rather be alive than dead and free.  The Bush administration has had a lot of crises to deal with, too. I think the admin and FEMA could have responded more quickly to Katrina's disaster, but i am down here in Houston, and i can tell you with certainly that a shitload of money is going to rebulding Louisianna and Alabama. New Orleans wasn't the only area hit by Katrina. We damned near got our asses handed to us here too, with Rita.  However, i see huge numbers supplies and work being sent to Louisianna nearly every day out of Houston. The govt could have responded more quickly to the disasters, but they are responding at least. For New Orleans, many more problems could have been avoided if their dumbass of a mayor had called for mandatory evacuations for all citizens. He did not. I think that was a big mistake. As far as the war in Iraq goes, i think Bush was misinformed about the intelligence, but i also know that one of his goals was to get rid of Hussein from the start. This didn't just come up all of a sudden. I personally didn't need any WMD crap to convince me that Hussein was a mass murdering monster that needed to be deposed. Zaab, you know that the US is looked down on by the rest of the world before Bush anyways. Bush is a consverative nationalist politician. I would be surprised if the rest of the world DIDN'T react to his election. Conservatives of any type are always looked down on, but i believe they are necessary nontheless.  Now, i am not as conservative as SPG, and i am not a Bush fanatic. However, W's stance against partial birth abortions really was what earned him my respect. Hopefully he'll try to push another partial birth ban through Congress soon. Zaab, i agree, i do wish that Bush would tone the ultra-conservatism down a notch. But i am also sick and tired of hearing so much empty-criticisms of him too on the media. The anti-Bush bandwagon could largely be repsonsible for costing the Democrats the 2004 election in the Executive Branch. Prominent Democrat Party analysts have said so themselves. Bush also has more African-Americans in federally apointed positions than any other President has ever done. I do not buy the bs that he hates blacks. What i think he is against is the propounded ghetto mentality that so many blacks seem to have in this country; African born US citizens i know comment on this all the time and think it's crude and needless. Of course these all just my opinions. I realize that the Bush administration is coming under intense criticism and scrutiny, and rightly so. It's the federal govt of the United States!! Of course we should keep an eye on them. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Feb 9, 2006 22:34:01 GMT -5
I wouldnt say bush is ultra conservitive
conservatives dont have big deficits and big govnment policies. Bush seems socially conservative but not trully conservative in other areas.
zaab thank you for your honesty.
I would have a president that is unpopular than super popular and liked because that way I know he is not just tickling our ears and apealing to what makes him popular. Sometimes presidents have t make unpopular decsions in the best intrest of the people.
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Post by shytothebone on Feb 10, 2006 1:38:14 GMT -5
he is making up for being a weak/ passive president through his post presidential activism/crap. oh by the way zaab you dodged the question this is a fair question to ask. is it appropriate behavior from the dems regardless of the president. say this happens with republicans with a democratic president would it be acceptable. I think democrats are still upset because Bush won the election in 2000. All they do is piss and moan, wah wah wah and try do bash bush any way they can. |
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Post by shytothebone on Feb 10, 2006 1:47:25 GMT -5
I wouldnt say bush is ultra conservitive conservatives dont have big deficits and big govnment policies. Bush seems socially conservative but not trully conservative in other areas. The only reason why Bush has a deficit is because he inherited an economy that was in recession then 9-11 happened and we had a war. That is a lot to juggle around and still make gains which the deficit has shrunk over the past year. No president ever will have a budget surplus with a war going on unless taxes are 50% or more. |
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Post by Kitten on Feb 10, 2006 2:45:37 GMT -5
Coretta Scott King's adult life was political. If she had been able to speak at her own funeral, don't you think she would have ripped Bush a new one? No, i don't. Politics is just not something you would alude to at a funeral.  I agree 100% Russman. Can't politicians put their agendas aside for just one day? Coretta Scott King was a very influential woman, very involved in politics but she's at peace now. They should just focus on what good she's done without having to put a political spin everything. Let her legacy live on in people's hearts, not some tacky ass politically biased speech at her funeral. |
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Post by GreenFerret on Feb 10, 2006 11:07:01 GMT -5
he is making up for being a weak/ passive president through his post presidential activism/crap. oh by the way zaab you dodged the question this is a fair question to ask. is it appropriate behavior from the dems regardless of the president. say this happens with republicans with a democratic president would it be acceptable. I think democrats are still upset because Bush won the election in 2000. All they do is piss and moan, wah wah wah and try do bash bush any way they can. You wouldn't happen to be a Republican would you?  Anyway, yeah--cause everyone knows it's only Democrats who piss, whine, bash their opponents, and want their own party members in office. Oh, and I agree a funeral shouldn't get political. |
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Post by Paulinus on Feb 10, 2006 11:51:30 GMT -5
Oh, and I agree a funeral shouldn't get political. I also agree. Much as I tend to agree with any anti George Bush sentiment, I dont belive a funeral should be used for political point scoring. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Feb 10, 2006 13:05:43 GMT -5
im a republican.
hasnt war time presidents generally raised taxes though instead of cutting them . thats why the deficit is so high.
I do agree that the handling of the economy has been good given the current events . Lowering taxes is good raising taxes would stunt the economic growth we are experienceing.
oh about black people. Black home ownership has been highest under the Bush Administration.
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Feb 10, 2006 20:46:16 GMT -5
im a republican. hasnt war time presidents generally raised taxes though instead of cutting them . thats why the deficit is so high. I do agree that the handling of the economy has been good given the current events . Lowering taxes is good raising taxes would stunt the economic growth we are experienceing. oh about black people. Black home ownership has been highest under the Bush Administration. What about pink home ownership? How many pink homes does Barbie own now? Rich cow! |
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Feb 10, 2006 20:50:19 GMT -5
oh about black people. Black home ownership has been highest under the Bush Administration. Bush has been buying homes for black people now? That's nice of him. The rich cow! |
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Post by wagnerr on Feb 16, 2006 19:21:41 GMT -5
im a republican. hasnt war time presidents generally raised taxes though instead of cutting them . thats why the deficit is so high. I do agree that the handling of the economy has been good given the current events . Lowering taxes is good raising taxes would stunt the economic growth we are experienceing. oh about black people. Black home ownership has been highest under the Bush Administration. I don't know about the black home ownership thing, but i do know that the Republicans are usually in favor of lowering property taxes in any given administration, since the 1930's, while Democrats have usually been in favor of rasing taxes and creating more taxes to pay for increased govt programs. Possibly the strongest voting block for the Democrats is in the cities, so the Democrat politicians nearly always aim at reducing city property taxes while at the same time impose other types of fines on cities to cover the gap. SPG, where did you get that black home ownership statement from? I'm just curious; i want to check it out. It may be true, but i'd still be interested in looking at that. This could become a cool project for me to work on. |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Feb 16, 2006 19:57:06 GMT -5
I don't know about the black home ownership thing, but i do know that the Republicans are usually in favor of lowering property taxes in any given administration, since the 1930's, while Democrats have usually been in favor of rasing taxes and creating more taxes to pay for increased govt programs. Possibly the strongest voting block for the Democrats is in the cities, so the Democrat politicians nearly always aim at reducing city property taxes while at the same time impose other types of fines on cities to cover the gap. SPG, where did you get that black home ownership statement from? I'm just curious; i want to check it out. It may be true, but i'd still be interested in looking at that. This could become a cool project for me to work on. Sometimes government programs are needed like Head start for kids, WIc, job training, and so on. Any tax that is decreased is negated when things like gas prices go through the roof. |
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Feb 17, 2006 9:58:05 GMT -5
i got that from a few of the presidents speeches from the election. it may not be 100% true especially now after Katrina but it seems in line with whats going on locally with home ownership.
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Post by sushiboat on Feb 17, 2006 10:12:54 GMT -5
Maybe a lot of Black non-home-owners died in Iraq. That's a great way to fight poverty -- send the poor people to die in foreign adventures.
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Feb 19, 2006 0:15:24 GMT -5
send the poor people to die in iraq. wow so is there a secret draft or something I dont know about and is the deathcount like in the hundreds of thousands cause it would take that many to influence the homownership stats. |
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However, i see huge numbers supplies and work being sent to Louisianna nearly every day out of Houston. The govt could have responded more quickly to the disasters, but they are responding at least.
