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Post by shyaussiegal on Jul 9, 2006 23:31:44 GMT -5
I'm beginning to wonder if it it still exists? I was reading an article in the local newspaper this morning... and it seemed to have struck a chord with me.
I must admit that I like to be treated like a lady... see some of the blokes do "little" things that used to be a natural part of good manners, like opening doors for us, helping us on with our coats, seating us at the table etc. But, many of the men out there don't seem to bother with the little niceties of gallantry any more. Have we, as women created this phenomenon by ourselves via feminism? I suppose, if that's the true reason... then it's little wonder why blokes are so confused.
Although, I if I really think about the whole topic... it should be a two way street... common courtesy and respect should run both ways. How many people truely say thank you if a door is opened for them, or give up their seat on a bus/train for a lil old lady?
My question... do guys still believe in chivalry? Or, have they given up trying to understand us females? LOL Do other females here still appreciate chivalry? Thoughts anyone?
*edit* oops... spelt chivalry wrong! doh
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Post by Bodhi on Jul 9, 2006 23:37:43 GMT -5
I think most guys don't think about it nowadays and its become like a lost art in our society. I personally don't know if girls even care anymore. If I thought they did I would be opening doors for them and doing all that kind of stuff. But I think if I did the girl might think it was too overbearing and get weirded out.
Yet I don't think guys should be rude, but just show normal courtesy when they go on a date, but I don't think they have to go overboard with it. I don't know, I'm interested in what the girls on here think.
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Post by shyaussiegal on Jul 10, 2006 0:58:17 GMT -5
I think most guys don't think about it nowadays I'd be interested to know why alot of guys no longer think about it anymore? Is chivalry something that is instilled in ourselves from the time we're knee high to a grasshopper? Or is it something we learn along the way? Coz, if it's the latter... then ok maybe I understand a lil bit better... because honestly I think at times we live in a selfish society. Everyone is so busy looking out for themselves, they forget the small things in life that can really brighten a person's day. Or, maybe it's just that I'm an incurable romantic and hoping there are others with similar old fashioned thoughts .. heh. Sweet Pea, I think if someone does a nice gesture for someone naturally, then it comes across as genuine. Rather than if you have say some bloke putting on an act just to get laid (and yes it does happen). Your fishing story... hm, I'm not sure whether to say its the thought that counts... or that the bloke was plain ignorant! I think I will choose the latter hehe.
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Jul 10, 2006 1:47:50 GMT -5
I'd be happy to wipe your ass for you, but what do I get in return? Chivalry is just one of those sexist things that is dying and will hopefully be completely deceased in the near future. I know opening a door can be a very difficult task to accomplish successfully, but with practice I'm sure you little ladies can figure it out and maybe even master it!!!
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Jul 10, 2006 2:17:56 GMT -5
I'd be happy to wipe your ass for you, but what do I get in return? oh, would you please? in return you would have my undying gratitude. Yes, m'lady, and perhaps m'lady would enjoy spagetti and meatballs prepared from my own flesh, then perhaps m'lady would be so kind as to allow me to empty my wallet for her so m'lady can buy herself a big screen tv that she can place in the pooper room so she can watch Oprah while taking a crap. Gratitudes great. That'll pay the bills. What the hell is gratitude? That's just a word. Nobody lifts a finger to help me when in need, so why should I continue to help them? Drunks keep approaching me asking for money and making up bs excuses to why they need the money. Get your own money you bum and open your own damn door you slacker.
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Post by Tal on Jul 10, 2006 2:44:01 GMT -5
Although, I if I really think about the whole topic... it should be a two way street... common courtesy and respect should run both ways. How many people truely say thank you if a door is opened for them, or give up their seat on a bus/train for a lil old lady? Exactly, chivalry's an out-dated concept. We're better talking about courtesy these days. There's not always enough of that, but I don't see why men should behave differently to women, unless they're specifically looking to get in a woman's favour.
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jul 10, 2006 3:09:58 GMT -5
Exactly, chivalry's an out-dated concept. We're better talking about courtesy these days. There's not always enough of that, but I don't see why men should behave differently to women, unless they're specifically looking to get in a woman's favour. It's like Chris Rock said: "Women get offered d--- every day. Every time a man says something nice to you, that’s all he’s sayin. Want some d---? Nice skirt. Want some d---? Let me get that door for you. How bout some d---?"
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jul 10, 2006 3:13:06 GMT -5
I'd be happy to wipe your ass for you, but what do I get in return? Yes but would you shave my ass? Now that is chivalry.
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Post by shyaussiegal on Jul 10, 2006 5:41:58 GMT -5
I'd be happy to wipe your ass for you, but what do I get in return? Chivalry is just one of those sexist things that is dying and will hopefully be completely deceased in the near future. I know opening a door can be a very difficult task to accomplish successfully, but with practice I'm sure you little ladies can figure it out and maybe even master it!!! I have one word for you - RESPECT. With that kind of attitude, one may end up with a woman that won't do ANYTHING for you cause she'll turn around and say "you got arms/legs/brains/money/a pulse go do it yourself" and then you'll wonder why she is such a biatch.. I am also quite aware that I have two hands and can manage to open a door.. but they're a bit busy making your dinner, cleaning your toilet seat, grabbing your... ok I'll stop there - you get it i am sure. oh, would you please? in return you would have my undying gratitude. Yes, m'lady, and perhaps m'lady would enjoy spagetti and meatballs prepared from my own flesh, then perhaps m'lady would be so kind as to allow me to empty my wallet for her so m'lady can buy herself a big screen tv that she can place in the pooper room so she can watch Oprah while taking a crap. Gratitudes great. That'll pay the bills. What the hell is gratitude? That's just a word. Nobody lifts a finger to help me when in need, so why should I continue to help them? Drunks keep approaching me asking for money and making up bs excuses to why they need the money. Get your own money you bum and open your own damn door you slacker. Whoa.. too right, such anger! Have you had a few bitter past experiences? News flash - not all women are money hungry cougars who are arrogant up-themselves princesses. And yes, SOME people appreciate thoughtful, kind gestures. You know how you'll notice if we do?? We'll treat you with the same respect in return. Funny that isn't it? You get in return, what you give in life. Sorry if I seem a lil harsh in my post... but, I do get rather defensive when men tar all women with the same brush due to a bitter experience. Yeah sure chivalry may be a dying art... but I did mention earlier that it's a two way street. A lil respect & common courtesty from both men AND women goes a long way... put simply, it's good manners.
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Post by Samantha on Jul 10, 2006 6:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jul 10, 2006 7:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by Paulinus on Jul 10, 2006 7:43:23 GMT -5
I think I'd look like an absolute creep if I went out of my way to open doors carry bags etc for women. It almost seems patronising in a "oh your women so you mustn't be capable of such a task" sort of way
Nothing wrong with a bit of common courtesy when dealing with people regardless of their gender though of which there probably isn't enough of.
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Post by randall on Jul 10, 2006 7:57:08 GMT -5
I'd be happy to wipe your ass for you, but what do I get in return? There are some guys out there that would consider that as the reward in itself
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Post by randall on Jul 10, 2006 8:01:28 GMT -5
I am also quite aware that I have two hands and can manage to open a door.. but they're a bit busy making your dinner, cleaning your toilet seat, grabbing your... ok I'll stop there - you get it i am sure. Well I for one have no problem with being both chivalrous AND courteous if girls want to use their spare hands to grab my ... ok I'll stop there...
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Post by skyhint on Jul 10, 2006 15:05:40 GMT -5
For me, I hate touching door knobs. You know how in cold season people say you should avoid them? I'm like that all the time. So I really appreciate people openning doors for me, and not just the men. On a different occasion I remember going on a trip to USA and holding a door open for some woman and her being all confused by it.
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