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Post by Farouche on Jul 10, 2009 21:01:21 GMT -5
Mikelan and FightingSpirit are either embittered basement-dwellers with no prospects, or trolls. I'd suggest you go out and meet some real human women, fellas. Or if your lack of social acumen leaves that out of the question, at least quit watching so much Real Housewives.  |
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Post by Stranger on Jul 10, 2009 23:42:21 GMT -5
I think the original post is a blatantly offensive troll. If there is a legitimate point to the post, then it needs to be stated/asked in a way that doesn't denigrate 150 million people before I'd honor it with an earnest response. Frankly, I'm stunned it's received the attention it has.  |
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Post by strawberrysweetie on Jul 11, 2009 1:30:14 GMT -5
American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves. oh yeah...sure, we're all that way. I can't believe people can just lump one whole group of people together and assume they share the same exact ideals, completely disregarding individuality. This is what is so wrong with the world. Those last two statements really throw me over the edge. So men are the oppressed these days, eh? pfft  Really, though, this has to be one of the strangest things I've heard someone say. I think the original post is a blatantly offensive troll. I hope you're right. I'm never sure of such things, though...because, unfortunately, I think some people actually do hold such views. |
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Post by Stranger on Jul 11, 2009 2:14:31 GMT -5
I can't believe people can just lump one whole group of people together and assume they share the same exact ideals, completely disregarding individuality. Yeah, that always gets me too. It seems to be not so uncommon on this board, unfortunately.  I think the original post is a blatantly offensive troll. I hope you're right. I'm never sure of such things, though...because, unfortunately, I think some people actually do hold such views. I'm sure some do, and yeah, it's worrying, but even if he does honestly believe it, there is no reason to say things like this: ...and get out of this hell hole called Amerika.The women are so anti-social,unfriendly,and they dislike nice guys. It's clear to me he's inciting hate, or trying to invoke some kind of heated reaction--exactly what a troll does. |
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Post by fightingspirit on Jul 11, 2009 2:25:29 GMT -5
Mikelan and FightingSpirit are either embittered basement-dwellers with no prospects, or trolls. I'd suggest you go out and meet some real human women, fellas. Or if your lack of social acumen leaves that out of the question, at least quite watching so much Real Housewives. Ok, but what exactly is so wrong about having preference for women of a different ethnicity. Even if the OP and myself stated it in stronger words than necessary, why should it be so wrong? I am sure there are plenty of great women in the US, I've met many in fact, and there are many lousy women from other ethnicities, but I am talking about general trends here and those are pretty strong. I am pushing 30 years of age and it has been my experience that some foreign women and particularly those from Eastern Europe are much more down to earth and easy to talk to than others. They are also the ones much more likely to fall for decent, hard working guys, while American girls gravitate towards smooth, but deceitful players. That has been my experience after meeting hundreds of women over the past decade. Is it true for all people? I am quite sure that individual experiences vary, but that has been mine. Once again, why is it wrong if I prefer Eastern European women? |
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Post by Farouche on Jul 11, 2009 2:54:58 GMT -5
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Ok, but what exactly is so wrong about having preference for women of a different ethnicity. Even if the OP and myself stated it in stronger words than necessary, why should it be so wrong? I am sure there are plenty of great women in the US, I've met many in fact, and there are many lousy women from other ethnicities, but I am talking about general trends here and those are pretty strong.
I am pushing 30 years of age and it has been my experience that some foreign women and particularly those from Eastern Europe are much more down to earth and easy to talk to than others. They are also the ones much more likely to fall for decent, hard working guys, while American girls gravitate towards smooth, but deceitful players. That has been my experience after meeting hundreds of women over the past decade. Is it true for all people? I am quite sure that individual experiences vary, but that has been mine.
Once again, why is it wrong if I prefer Eastern European women? The general trend among 30-year-old guys who post this kind of bullshit about how you're just too good for those lousy local women is that you are the problem here, not the entire female population of your nation. The general trend is that such a man can't get laid because he's a misogynistic, socially deficient asshole who can only gain purchase among women who've learned not to expect too much from life. But that's just my personal experience with jerks who post insulting things about women on anonymous message boards. I'm sure you're not like that at all, right? |
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Post by fightingspirit on Jul 11, 2009 3:16:39 GMT -5
The general trend among 30-year-old guys who post this kind of bullshit about how you're just too good for those lousy local women is that you are the problem here, not the entire female population of your nation. The general trend is that such a man can't get laid because he's a misogynistic, socially deficient asshole who can only gain purchase among women who've learned not to expect too much from life. But that's just my personal experience with jerks who post insulting things about women on anonymous message boards. I'm sure you're not like that at all, right? I don't have a problem getting laid, I am a fairly good looking guy, it's the serious relationships that are troublesome. I am a laid back guy who used to be very shy. I would get some initial interest from women, but they would pull back when they noticed that I didn't have much social gravitas. I've moved and developed my personality since then to the point where I am quite efficient in handling social situations. The problem that I have with American women is that they focus on the superficial, at least the ones I've met. I've always lived in large urban areas so that may be why my experience is what it is, but it doesn't change anything. I've found foreign women to be much easier to talk to and interact with and I share that knowledge with other men. That's all there is to it. |
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Post by Stranger on Jul 11, 2009 4:21:45 GMT -5
Mikelan and FightingSpirit are either embittered basement-dwellers with no prospects, or trolls. I'd suggest you go out and meet some real human women, fellas. Or if your lack of social acumen leaves that out of the question, at least quite watching so much Real Housewives. Ok, but what exactly is so wrong about having preference for women of a different ethnicity. Where did she say there is? Because the difference between what you seem to think you said: I am pushing 30 years of age and it has been my experience that some foreign women and particularly those from Eastern Europe are much more down to earth and easy to talk to than others. They are also the ones much more likely to fall for decent, hard working guys, while American girls gravitate towards smooth, but deceitful players. That has been my experience after meeting hundreds of women over the past decade. Is it true for all people? I am quite sure that individual experiences vary, but that has been mine. and what you did in fact say: American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves. is extremely offensive and discriminatory, and I would expect any remotely intelligent person to be able to immediately recognize that. |
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Post by Farouche on Jul 11, 2009 4:21:52 GMT -5
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I don't have a problem getting laid, I am a fairly good looking guy, it's the serious relationships that are troublesome. I am a laid back guy who used to be very shy. I would get some initial interest from women, but they would pull back when they noticed that I didn't have much social gravitas. I've moved and developed my personality since then to the point where I am quite efficient in handling social situations.
The problem that I have with American women is that they focus on the superficial, at least the ones I've met. I've always lived in large urban areas so that may be why my experience is what it is, but it doesn't change anything. I've found foreign women to be much easier to talk to and interact with and I share that knowledge with other men. That's all there is to it. Nice job on the personality. ;D I'm shocked, shocked that women would turn up their noses at a man with no ability to carry his own weight in a social setting. They should be able to tell by your sneer that you're worth it. It's so much easier when her understanding of American social norms and English abilities are limited, I'll bet! Sound the trumpets, lonely guys: all your problems have been solved by one man willing to challenge the assumption that you need to have something in common with your lady love--like a basic vocabulary.  I love how guys like this^ seem to think they're taking revenge on the women who don't want to date them by... not dating them. Not dating them real hard. I mean, look at this: American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves. You're pretty angry for a guy who's swimming in superior foreign tail, arencha? ;D |
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Post by fightingspirit on Jul 11, 2009 4:59:06 GMT -5
Nice job on the personality. ;D I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you. I'm shocked, shocked that women would turn up their noses at a man with no ability to carry his own weight in a social setting. They should be able to tell by your sneer that you're worth it. It's so much easier when her understanding of American social norms and English abilities are limited, I'll bet! Sound the trumpets, lonely guys: all your problems have been solved by one man willing to challenge the assumption that you need to have something in common with your lady love--like a basic vocabulary. You're very magnanimous towards another person who is struggling with shyness. I didn't say I can't function in social situations, it's just that I am a laid back, fairly quiet type of guy, not the back slapping, high-fiving loudmouth, whom you no doubt adore. Also, why do you presume that foreign women have limited abilities as far as understanding the Western social norms or the English language. That sounds pretty discriminatory in itself to me. Most of Eastern Europe, accidentally, has very high academic standards and people over there, contrary to some stereotypes, are very sharp. I am not saying that dating a foreign women is easy, but the initial interaction and "getting to know" each other phase certainly is. That has been my experience anyway, and of many men that I've spoken to as well. I love how guys like this^ seem to think they're taking revenge on the women who don't want to date them by... not dating them. Not dating them real hard. I mean, look at this: You're pretty angry for a guy who's swimming in superior foreign tail, arencha? ;D The last two women I've dated have been of foreign origin, one Eastern European and one Asian. I didn't specifically seek them out for ethnicity, it just happened that way. I just found that they were easy to converse with about normal topics and they didn't pose as princesses, which I find notorious with American girls. If you think that it's due to their limited English faculties or mental retardation that they would date a regular guy like me - well, what can I do? I can only say that you are perfect example of what I am talking about regardless if you're an American or not. I am speaking frankly here because it's an internet forum and you can afford to be politically incorrect. |
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Post by fightingspirit on Jul 11, 2009 5:05:33 GMT -5
Ok, but what exactly is so wrong about having preference for women of a different ethnicity. Where did she say there is? I would say that the aggressive rebuttal and troll name-calling hinted at it ever so slightly. Because the difference between what you seem to think you said: and what you did in fact say: American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves. is extremely offensive and discriminatory, and I would expect any remotely intelligent person to be able to immediately recognize that. It has been my life experience nonetheless. I don't care how it sounds - only that it is the truth from my perspective. Do you expect me to lie in order to be politically correct? |
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Post by Farouche on Jul 11, 2009 6:51:08 GMT -5
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Where did she say there is?
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I would say that the aggressive rebuttal and troll name-calling hinted at it ever so slightly.
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I can only say that you are perfect example of what I am talking about regardless if you're an American or not. I am speaking frankly here because it's an internet forum and you can afford to be politically incorrect. Aww, and we know how you feel about aggressiveness in females. But that's American women for ya: we just don't let you get away with anything, do we? Better go to another forum if you want the mean, aggressive American lady to leave you alone while you whine whine whine all the way home. I have to point out how annoying it is that none of your responses ever seems to actually address whatever you're quoting. A frothing rant about women is not equivalent to "but but all I said was that I personally find I prefer foreign ladies," and people aren't so stupid that they won't notice when you try to substitute one thought for the other. Let's observe the irrationality in action: Fightingspirit --------------
American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves.
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Mikelan and FightingSpirit are either embittered basement-dwellers with no prospects, or trolls.
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Ok, but what exactly is so wrong about having preference for women of a different ethnicity. [/color][/size] Mmm, yes. Because the only thing objectionable in your post was that you would seek to deny American women the pleasure of your romantic attentions. Fightingspirit ------------------
It has been my life experience nonetheless. I don't care how it sounds - only that it is the truth from my perspective. Do you expect me to lie in order to be politically correct? You're right, there: being politically correct is silly. So let's dispense with the politically correct euphemisms about "life experience" and agree you're an embittered misogynist who's uncomfortable around any woman you can't control. There! It's freeing, isn't it? In my experience, you have to have something seriously wrong with your personality and your general logic circuits to come to the conclusions you keep trumpeting all over this board. That's my honest assessment; I can tell you don't like things sugar-coated. If you still can't figure out why most women would have legitimate cause to dislike like you--it's clear as day to me--then I suggest you go sit in a corner and think real real hard before you come back. Mmmkay? |
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Post by fightingspirit on Jul 11, 2009 8:48:11 GMT -5
Aww, and we know how you feel about aggressiveness in females. But that's American women for ya: we just don't let you get away with anything, do we? Better go to another forum if you want the mean, aggressive American lady to leave you alone while you whine whine whine all the way home. I don't have a problem with aggressiveness. In fact, I have a fairly dominant personality so I need someone who can challenge me. I welcome that. My problem is with the unfairness that has become abundant in society where women assume superior poses completely unwarranted by their social standing and achievements; purely on account of their gender and/or physical beauty. Hence my assertion that I prefer foreign women, such as those from Eastern Europe, because they have not yet become contaminated with these irrational ideas. I like to be able to talk to a woman without assuming superficial poserisms. I like to interact like I would with my best friend, who just happens to be super, super attractive. I have to point out how annoying it is that none of your responses ever seems to actually address whatever you're quoting. A frothing rant about women is not equivalent to "but but all I said was that I personally find I prefer foreign ladies," and people aren't so stupid that they won't notice when you try to substitute one thought for the other. Actually, I think I addressed the very heart of the matter. There was no substitution of thought, but a natural progression. If you read the OP post again, that's primarily the matter that I've been addressing and expanding upon the thought based on subsequent posts. We can only agree to disagree on whether I've been digressing. You're right, there: being politically correct is silly. So let's dispense with the politically correct euphemisms about "life experience" and agree you're an embittered misogynist who's uncomfortable around any woman you can't control. There! It's freeing, isn't it? I cannot agree with that. I stated my preference for Eastern European women. Trust me, they are not easy to control. Are they not women in Your eyes? In my experience, you have to have something seriously wrong with your personality and your general logic circuits to come to the conclusions you keep trumpeting all over this board. That's my honest assessment; I can tell you don't like things sugar-coated. If you still can't figure out why most women would have legitimate cause to dislike like you--it's clear as day to me--then I suggest you go sit in a corner and think real real hard before you come back. Mmmkay? Why should I be so misguided? Just because my views disagree with Yours? I didn't say most women dislike me. In fact, most of them are initially attracted, but they lose interest when they see that I am trying to drag them into an actual conversation. Unfortunately, most young women these days prefer to spend their evenings within the confines of a loud pub or an extremely loud night club where conversation is impossible. Yes, you can get a one night stand out of those places, but trying to build a meaningful relationship is like banging your head against a stone pillar. |
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Post by Stranger on Jul 11, 2009 9:00:23 GMT -5
I would say that the aggressive rebuttal and troll name-calling hinted at it ever so slightly. Do you really think the aggression was due to you "having preference for women of a different ethnicity?" Because the difference between what you seem to think you said: I am pushing 30 years of age and it has been my experience that some foreign women and particularly those from Eastern Europe are much more down to earth and easy to talk to than others. They are also the ones much more likely to fall for decent, hard working guys, while American girls gravitate towards smooth, but deceitful players. That has been my experience after meeting hundreds of women over the past decade. Is it true for all people? I am quite sure that individual experiences vary, but that has been mine. and what you did in fact say: American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves. is extremely offensive and discriminatory, and I would expect any remotely intelligent person to be able to immediately recognize that. It has been my life experience nonetheless. No, one was your life experience; the other was an offensive generalization that has earned you a ton of disrespect. Do you see it yet? I don't care how it sounds Well then I think you should leave. Do you expect me to lie in order to be politically correct? No, just be sociable. |
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Post by Farouche on Jul 11, 2009 9:17:20 GMT -5
You don't seem to like quoting this part, FS. But I do! Here it is again, in case anybody missed it: Fightingspirit --------------
American women are looking for some unwarranted glamor, fame, and social prowess, that's supposed to be cast upon them regardless of what they actually represent with themselves. It's not surprising to see US women disparaging those from East Europe since they they are perceiving them as a threat to the status quo. You see, women don't like to see men having options. Men are much more obliging as helpless slaves.
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