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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 28, 2006 23:16:18 GMT -5
i mean its not that addictive when compared to other drugs. on the chart in my text book alcohol is near the bottom of the list. also you have to consider the amount of people who abuse alcohol and drink heavily but do not end up alcoholics . most people who drink d not become alcoholics even if they get drunk. otherwise college campuses be full of alcoholics.
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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 28, 2006 23:16:43 GMT -5
alcoholics on the street are not a pretty sight Alcoholics aren't a pretty sight anywhere
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 28, 2006 23:17:30 GMT -5
no but you are
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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 28, 2006 23:17:58 GMT -5
i mean its not that addictive when compared to other drugs. on the chart in my text book alcohol is near the bottom of the list. also you have to consider the amount of people who abuse alcohol and drink heavily but do not end up alcoholics . most people who drink d not become alcoholics even if they get drunk. otherwise college campuses be full of alcoholics. Well its certainly addictive enough to fuck up people's lives.
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Post by zaab on Mar 28, 2006 23:25:33 GMT -5
I googled it, and marijuana doesn't appear to be very addictive at all, at the low end of the scale below even caffeine. Alcohol is somewhere in the mid range of addictiveness. www.drugwarfacts.org/addictiv.htm
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 29, 2006 0:01:15 GMT -5
yes thats whatim talking about people. Crash are you giving me the cold shoulder?
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Post by christfollower on Mar 29, 2006 3:20:12 GMT -5
It won't be legalized. The government knows that if it bows to marijuana then it will start a domino affect. Soon after legalizing marijuana you will see the leagalizing of coke, crack. meth, etc... Sure it will be a great revenue from tax, but is it worth it. Studies show that most people who will try something like marijuana will more likely move to other drugs as well. Plus, if the government changes its stand, then it will have to explain the billions of dollars used to fight the war on drugs. And just wait for another fallout. Think Kathy Lee and others have been targeted for using child labor - what about the drug cartel and the use of their people. Funny how they get missed by all the activists for human rights.
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Post by christfollower on Mar 29, 2006 3:33:28 GMT -5
like you said most that use drugs use alcohol not the other way around. There is a larger amount of people that drink than do drugs. Most drug users do drink but you can not say that most who drink do drugs.
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Post by zaab on Mar 29, 2006 3:33:55 GMT -5
From Wikipedia "There is no scientific evidence to support the idea that use of one drug will lead to use of other drugs – that physiological and neurological changes make it unavoidable. Individual social histories show that "hard" drug users do progress from one drug to another, but the drives behind this are not clear enough to generalise a gateway.[1] Furthermore, some "hard" drugs, such as alcohol, may be legal, while other "soft" drugs, such as marijuana, may be illegal. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug
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Post by Paulinus on Mar 29, 2006 3:37:35 GMT -5
my understanding from what my textbooks have to say is that marijuana is not physically addictive but that alcohol definitely is. in light of the fact that alcohol is legal, i wonder how we can justify making marijuana illegal? I don't think that just because a legal drug is worse is grounds for making it legal. To me that tells me that the legal drug perhaps shouldn't be giving how much damage it causes. Of course it would be impossible to ban such a thing now so you tax the hell out of it instead.
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Post by zaab on Mar 29, 2006 3:38:38 GMT -5
like you said most that use drugs use alcohol not the other way around. There is a larger amount of people that drink than do drugs. Most drug users do drink but you can not say that most who drink do drugs. But, as I understand it, you can make the same exact claim for marijuana. Most hard drug users also use marijuana, but this doesn't mean that marijuana leads to hard drug use.
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Post by blakey on Mar 29, 2006 3:49:33 GMT -5
anything can become an addiction. yeah marijauana isnt that addictive and really neither is alcohol but there is always that potential. i was stoned in class so im not sure exactly if there is any tolerance built up to marijauana as well as withdrawal. mabye i shoud go to class witthout marijauan so i would pay attention better. No I dont think it should be Legalized, Like others have already said, if they legalize this one then others would have to be legalized as well.
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Post by christfollower on Mar 29, 2006 4:07:51 GMT -5
if it is not addictive, then why do so many buy it, keep it on their person when they know that it carries a stiff penalty from the law. What other reason would one risk such penalties if not for addiction?
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Post by Paulinus on Mar 29, 2006 4:18:13 GMT -5
I don't think that just because a legal drug is worse is grounds for making it legal. To me that tells me that the legal drug perhaps shouldn't be giving how much damage it causes. Of course it would be impossible to ban such a thing now so you tax the hell out of it instead. well, actually the US did ban alcohol but a very violent and lucrative criminal industry grew rapidly and created all kinds of havoc. the social problems the prohibition was supposed to solve actually got worse. so prohibition was repealed. but the same thing has happened since marijuana was made illegal, and yet we have not reversed the prohibition. we are being inconsistent. Yeah I see your point there which is one reason why I said it would be impossible to ban alcohol. My worry would be it would be a slippery slope. You legalise one thing and the criminals will simply deal in another, so in theory you'd end up having to legalise everything eventually if the prohibition is causing the social problems. I don't know much about the effects of marijuana though as I've seen opposing argument about that, but if they don't really impact on anyone but the user and don't cause any serious damage to the user then fine legalise it. Otherwise I'd prefer it wasn't. My big worry would be legalising it and finding out later that it causes problems that where previously unknown by which point as with tobacco you've gone too far forward to go back. I certainly have no objection to any potential medicinal purposes being explored.
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Post by christfollower on Mar 29, 2006 4:30:32 GMT -5
I did not say that they would use it, it is just they are more likely. Meaning that if they are more susceptible to try other drugs. I spent time in that group many years ago. Most were willing try other things. Did not mean they continued use of the other drugs, but they would try them. Unfortantly, most other drugs carry a quick addiction.
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