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Post by iroseiroared3 on Sept 28, 2006 1:41:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Richie is right about the meaningless sex.. meaningful sex would be 10000x greater. It's not something I ever thought I would feel, ever. I have never felt this way before. I don't applaud it either, FYI, pnats. It's just something that hit me, and I felt like if two people who felt like they were lacking something both wanted it and felt comfortable with each other, then maybe you should go for it. There is a special connection there in some way. Maybe now I scared all the decent guys away. I guess I should just keep my thoughts to myself. Anyway, sorry if I've offended anyone.
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Sept 28, 2006 5:08:07 GMT -5
Interesting that these days promiscuous behaviour is applauded and people who have values are mocked. What a sad world we live in. I'm not mocking his values Im mocking his inconsistancy. Its complicated. I made a joke of his joke.  Myself. I think everyone should make a choice that is right for them. It wouldn't be the worst thing that a person could do but if it doesn't feel right, then not doing it is perfectly sensible too. What iconsistancy? When have I ever said being promiscuous and shagging anyone with a face without having feelings for that person is okay? |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Sept 28, 2006 5:52:35 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Richie is right about the meaningless sex.. meaningful sex would be 10000x greater. It's not something I ever thought I would feel, ever. I have never felt this way before. I don't applaud it either, FYI, pnats. It's just something that hit me, and I felt like if two people who felt like they were lacking something both wanted it and felt comfortable with each other, then maybe you should go for it. There is a special connection there in some way. Maybe now I scared all the decent guys away. I guess I should just keep my thoughts to myself. Anyway, sorry if I've offended anyone. No, it happens. People have lustful desires. It's your life. Do what you want. |
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Post by skyhint on Sept 28, 2006 12:09:10 GMT -5
Im talking about the joke that its OK to screw people as long as there is money involved. and that killing kittens is a positive thing to do in comparison to sex. Its a joke, lighten up 
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Sept 29, 2006 5:25:30 GMT -5
Im talking about the joke that its OK to screw people as long as there is money involved. and that killing kittens is a positive thing to do in comparison to sex. Its a joke, lighten up Killing kittens is fine as long as the meat isn't wasted. Who can argue that killing a cow for food is okay but killing a cat is wrong? By the sounds of it on this thread, people here are fine with prostitution. After all it's their body and can do what they want with it. I'd rather not have to deal with that type of people, but in todays society it is difficult not to as most people are WHORES and applaud others who are considering being WHORES.  |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Sept 29, 2006 5:47:04 GMT -5
Killing kittens is fine as long as the meat isn't wasted. Who can argue that killing a cow for food is okay but killing a cat is wrong? By the sounds of it on this thread, people here are fine with prostitution. After all it's their body and can do what they want with it. I'd rather not have to deal with that type of people, but in todays society it is difficult not to as most people are WHORES and applaud others who are considering being WHORES. This thread is giving me gas. phffft. Most people are whores when given the opportunity. Then there is the small percentage of people who are so repressed and have so many sexual hang ups they can't ever enjoy themselves in a relationship. Even smaller percentage of people who are like myself. |
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Post by skyhint on Sept 29, 2006 12:44:15 GMT -5
You know, I actually agreed with you a little until I read this.
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Post by phoenixferret on Sept 29, 2006 13:35:28 GMT -5
You know, I actually agreed with you a little until I read this. So many people in the world have trouble peeling their little individual selves away from the bare bones of their humanity. They just make up a world view, call it "values," and voila! They get to look down on people who have more "values" as being prudish and stuck in the past; AND they get to look down on people with less "values" as being whores and morally corrupt. It's a great system; you can't lose! Don't you see how much simpler the world is when it's just the Perfect People versus the prudes and hos? |
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Post by Samantha on Sept 29, 2006 13:52:54 GMT -5
Meaningless intercourse is meaningless. Sex should mean something. The meaning of meaningless is meaningless. Do you know what I mean? Hope you dont think I was being too mean with what I said. By all means, find a nice spot by the docks and have a nice, meaningful 3 minute relationship with some filthy horny ratbag scum. (I would only consider him to be scum if he accepts the filthy offer). If he's a decent sort, then he will decline your disgusting offer and will be forever uncomfortable around you. I do hope he is a nice, decent guy and not a typical shitbag. Good luck with your new occupation. Richie is holier than thou. Preach to us Richie. What should she charge?$bling$bling Interesting that these days promiscuous behaviour is applauded and people who have values are mocked. What a sad world we live in. As someone who's had sex outside of a relationship just for the sake of it and sees nothing wrong with it, you two have really pissed me off. You don't agree with it fine, that's your call but I don't like being insulted by calling me a whore and I also resent the implication that I have no values. Nice try throwing in the strawmen arguments but as I'm not 12 years old anymore it doesn't work on me. Intercourse for the sake of intercourse isn't meaningless. Obviously it is for the sake of intercourse so you can drop this 'meaningless' bit. Pretty much anytime I orgasm it is never meaningless. As for mocking those who have values that's a load of tosh. Skyhint's comment referred to Richie thinking he was morally superior to us. I may not have the same values as you but that doesn't mean I have no values. |
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Post by Richard Cunningham on Sept 30, 2006 2:50:10 GMT -5
Meaningless intercourse is meaningless. Sex should mean something. The meaning of meaningless is meaningless. Do you know what I mean? Hope you dont think I was being too mean with what I said. By all means, find a nice spot by the docks and have a nice, meaningful 3 minute relationship with some filthy horny ratbag scum. (I would only consider him to be scum if he accepts the filthy offer). If he's a decent sort, then he will decline your disgusting offer and will be forever uncomfortable around you. I do hope he is a nice, decent guy and not a typical shitbag. Good luck with your new occupation. Interesting that these days promiscuous behaviour is applauded and people who have values are mocked. What a sad world we live in. As someone who's had sex outside of a relationship just for the sake of it and sees nothing wrong with it, you two have really pissed me off. You don't agree with it fine, that's your call but I don't like being insulted by calling me a whore and I also resent the implication that I have no values. Nice try throwing in the strawmen arguments but as I'm not 12 years old anymore it doesn't work on me. Intercourse for the sake of intercourse isn't meaningless. Obviously it is for the sake of intercourse so you can drop this 'meaningless' bit. Pretty much anytime I orgasm it is never meaningless. As for mocking those who have values that's a load of tosh. Skyhint's comment referred to Richie thinking he was morally superior to us. I may not have the same values as you but that doesn't mean I have no values. Would you screw around with someone else while in a relationship? Couples in a loving, honest relationship probably share his and her towels. Others who screw around with anyone probably share his and her-pes. |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Sept 30, 2006 6:44:13 GMT -5
As someone who's had sex outside of a relationship just for the sake of it and sees nothing wrong with it, you two have really pissed me off. You don't agree with it fine, that's your call but I don't like being insulted by calling me a whore and I also resent the implication that I have no values. Nice try throwing in the strawmen arguments but as I'm not 12 years old anymore it doesn't work on me. Intercourse for the sake of intercourse isn't meaningless. Obviously it is for the sake of intercourse so you can drop this 'meaningless' bit. Pretty much anytime I orgasm it is never meaningless. As for mocking those who have values that's a load of tosh. Skyhint's comment referred to Richie thinking he was morally superior to us. I may not have the same values as you but that doesn't mean I have no values. Would you screw around with someone else while in a relationship? Couples in a loving, honest relationship probably share his and her towels. Others who screw around with anyone probably share his and her-pes. Seems many problems between men and women are related to infidelity or dishonesty of the heart. A ons is no guarantee someone likes you. They sleep with someone one time and the person never speaks to them again. Maybe that is what they wanted but many times, one or the other is hurt over it. Because the person does not like them just because they had sex with them but rather they were more interested in getting off and the other person was just a recepticle for that event. If all I wanted was an orgasm, I have a hand for that that works very nicely and has no impact on anyone else. I think it says how little you value your body if you are willing to give it up to anyone who you feel a momentary lustful desire for. Call me a prude or whatever but my body is pretty cool and valuable and I don't want to just share it with just anyone for the sake of an orgasm. Same with my emotions. I don't share my true feelings with many. It is a good feeling having a commitment of the mind, body and heart with another. All my sexual energy goes to one person and I think it forms a stronger bond. It also means I am a woman of my word. |
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Post by MrNice on Sept 30, 2006 11:13:21 GMT -5
pnats - so you are a closed off person and don't bond with people easily
other, more open and trusting people can form bonds much faster
this doesn't mean that your values are better then theirs
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Post by phoenixferret on Sept 30, 2006 12:23:44 GMT -5
I think it says how little you value your body if you are willing to give it up to anyone who you feel a momentary lustful desire for. Maybe we should all have our bodies gilded and enshrined, and charge entrance fees to stand in their presence? Personally I cherish my every skin flake and shed hair, and keep them in a bejeweled vial on my windowsill. Value value value. How much love equals sex? Can you give us the market value of a kiss, just so we don't sell our precious bodies short and lose... what is it we lose? If valuing our bodies is so important, I would venture to say that eating junk food or not exercising is far more reproachable than enjoying an evening with a member of the opposite sex. Although this seems to be less about helping other people lead self-respecting lives and more about proving that people who don't share your antiquated views on sex are amoral and dishonest. |
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Post by Samantha on Sept 30, 2006 13:02:22 GMT -5
Would you screw around with someone else while in a relationship? Couples in a loving, honest relationship probably share his and her towels. Others who screw around with anyone probably share his and her-pes. What on earth has adultery got to do with anything? This thread is about two single adults having sex while being friends. My post was about why you have insulted and upset me. If you don't want to talk to me about that then fine. I would ask you though not to insult me further by trying to steer the conversation onto something completely unrelated. |
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Post by Samantha on Sept 30, 2006 13:41:12 GMT -5
Seems many problems between men and women are related to infidelity or dishonesty of the heart. Seems many problems between men and women, and men and men, and women and women are related to infidelity to civility or dishonesty of the mind. Or maybe just that some people can be damn right nasty and insulting. A ons is no guarantee someone likes you. They sleep with someone one time and the person never speaks to them again. Maybe that is what they wanted but many times, one or the other is hurt over it. Because the person does not like them just because they had sex with them but rather they were more interested in getting off and the other person was just a recepticle for that event. If all I wanted was an orgasm, I have a hand for that that works very nicely and has no impact on anyone else. We're talking about friends having sex. Friends already like each other for other reasons. If you are going to criticise friends for having sex with each other I think it is only logical to keep your reasoning based upon friends having sex and not people seeing others as recepticles. While I admire your concern for these hypothetical people I find such concern to be rather disingenuous when you have supported such a nasty and insulting attack on people who either do this or consider doing this. Which is why you two have been brought up on this. Not as an attack on your beliefs which is how you seem to be twisting it around but upon how you have disagreed. I do not care why you disagree with friends having sex, I care about why you feel it's ok to insult me. If you care oh so much about me getting hurt I am even more curious as to why you think it's ok to hurt me in other ways. As for getting off manually that's great. Bully for you. That doesn't explain why it is inherantly bad for friends to have sex. I can get to a location by using a train. That doesn't mean all other forms of transport are bad. I said I enjoyed having orgasms to show it isn't meaningless. The fact you do it too would in my eyes suggest you agree that it isn't meaningless outside of a relationship. Maybe less meaningful than sex between two loved ones but still not meaningless. I think it says how little you value your body if you are willing to give it up to anyone who you feel a momentary lustful desire for. Yeah I think Ferret has questioned this better than I can. I'm bemused my such statements. I don't give up anything. They don't walk away with my body. They get to touch my body because I am letting them and because I get pleasure from it. If you are giving up your body then so is the other person. One exchange for another. All equal and fair. More to the point though is why on earth you feel the need to insult and degrade people who would do what you say they do. You say they are losing out and they attack them for it. It's like being nasty to someone who has just been mugged. It just makes your insults seem even more bizarre to me. Call me a prude or whatever but my body is pretty cool and valuable and I don't want to just share it with just anyone for the sake of an orgasm. Same with my emotions. I don't share my true feelings with many. I don't care what you want to do. I care why you have been so insulting to those who don't want to do things your way. It is a good feeling having a commitment of the mind, body and heart with another. All my sexual energy goes to one person and I think it forms a stronger bond. Again so what. I think it's a good feeling having the first big poo in the morning. Doesn't justify insulting people or upsetting those who don't agree with me. Explaining why you have your view just explains why you have your view. It doesn't explain insulting me. It also means I am a woman of my word. Shame your word isn't 'polite', 'respectful', 'civilised' or even 'nice'. |
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