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Post by MrNice on Jan 24, 2008 21:28:14 GMT -5
Plenty of men have been able to have relationships without these tricks. all these plenty of men naturally employ exactly the same tricks but many men, such as the shy/nice guys never learned these things during the course of their normal life and don't know how to successfully pursue a woman, so they need to learn it somehow I garantee that you will have exactly the same problem dealing with women after you achieve whatever it is you think you need to gain confidence (like driving on the freeway) the only way you will make progress in pursuing women is by pursuing women its really a simple concept which some guys just ignore in order not to get out of their comfort zone guys either go through with it or move to the 'I will probably never have a girlfriend but thats the way I am' camp |
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Post by airburst on Jan 24, 2008 22:11:01 GMT -5
Have you ever tried any of those "tricks and crap?" Have you? Yes I have, and it's gotten me further with women than I normally get. And you didn't answer my question. |
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Post by phoenixferret on Jan 25, 2008 0:18:28 GMT -5
Plenty of men have been able to have relationships without these tricks. all these plenty of men naturally employ exactly the same tricks but many men, such as the shy/nice guys never learned these things during the course of their normal life and don't know how to successfully pursue a woman, so they need to learn it somehow Plenty of men with afros get dates. Therefore, every man should grow an afro. That is the quality of your logic here. But the absolute fact of the matter is that there are huge numbers of guys who are not cocky/funny who get girlfriends. No, it's not valid to say that shy guys "need" to act like the complete opposite of themselves in order to have any results. There is no good reason, none--as much as you may protest--why a shy guy wouldn't be able to learn whatever "tricks" regular non-shy "nice guys" use to get girlfriends. I garantee that you will have exactly the same problem dealing with women after you achieve whatever it is you think you need to gain confidence (like driving on the freeway) the only way you will make progress in pursuing women is by pursuing women its really a simple concept which some guys just ignore in order not to get out of their comfort zone guys either go through with it or move to the 'I will probably never have a girlfriend but thats the way I am' camp Asking out lots of women is, of course, going to increase your chances of finding dates. And it's true you don't necessarily need to "fix" all the things that you think you're lacking in order to gain confidence, but it certainly won't hurt to minimize the things you're self-conscious about. It works the same way that dressing well does: it can only make the opposite sex react more favorably to you if you look your best, or if you're self-sufficient or whatever. Why not try asking out women even *as* you're working on improving your confidence through self-improvement? If you need someplace to draw confidence from, think about the fact that you're taking the necessary steps toward being where you want to be. Because the more women you talk to, and the more you get used to the ins and outs of acceptance and rejection, the easier it will be to talk to women: that much is true. Yes I have, and it's gotten me further with women than I normally get. And you didn't answer my question. Now I remember why this hard-sell line sounded familiar... I was watching a mini-documentary on cults a couple of days ago.  "I used to be like you, man. But then I met The Brotherhood, and now my life is so fantastic and full of love. You think The Brotherhood sounds hokey? Well, how can you say it's hokey unless you try it? 'Research' shows that The Brotherhood can change your life for the better. Our satisfaction rate is 99%, and that 1% doesn't want to be helped. What have you got to lose?" Another common tactic used by cults is to take common sense (for instance, "you can't see with your eyes closed," or "approaching tons of women increases your chances of getting a date") and spin it to sound like real, unique wisdom: "He who closes his eyes to the Truth is blind." "Fast Seduction has all the best tricks to get you girls." Note that "asking out tons of women" is not by any means a special "technique" pioneered by Fast Seduction, so don't let them tell you otherwise. And no, I'm not saying Fast Seduction is a cult. It's more like "The Secret," really, which in spite of being pretty much complete bullshit (a lot more so than FS) is endorsed by millions worldwide, including Oprah Winfrey herself. The point is that all of these things operate using a few assumptions about human nature: if you tell people what they want to hear, and sell any controversial bits behind something that's easily endorsed, you've got a good chance of making the sale. "The Brotherhood gives you the tools to make something of your life. Doesn't that sound good?" "Well, yeah..." "The Secret works through the power of positive thought. You've heard how it's good to think positive, right?" "Well, yeah!" "Fast Seduction helps you gain confidence in yourself. Don't you want confidence?" "Yeah!" But of course we know that you don't need a cult to make something of your life; you don't need The Secret books to think positive; and you don't need Fast Seduction to gain confidence and ask out lots of women. |
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Post by lennythegiant on Jan 25, 2008 1:02:44 GMT -5
Yes I have, and it's gotten me further with women than I normally get. And you didn't answer my question. I've tried to be "cocky and funny" before. I'm pretty sure I just came off as an asshole, because if you don't have the actual confidence it just comes off like you're a prick. It's hard to "fake it until you make it" when you really don't have a base for eventually "making it" (you have no reason to be confident). Also, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but I really want to know just how far you've gotten. As for me, I've never had an actual date before. I've gone out with girls here and there as friends, and I've managed to have a good time. To be honest, I've really only approached a random girl once, because in college I always felt like I was a slob. I was pretty hammered at the time and my friends at the bar told me to go for it. She was probably pretty drunk at the time too, and she basically told me that me and my friends were a bunch of social retards. I got a good laugh out of it, and tried to defend myself. It was probably a bunch of jibberish that I thought was funny at the time. I was pretty polite, I tried to laugh it off, unlike my friend who decided to stick up for me by getting into an argument with her. In college I used to depend on "liquid courage" to get me through social situations. I certainly know what my limits are and I know how to control myself when I drink, but I used to be so nervous that I was going to just be quiet the whole time at parties that I would try to drink quite a bit in order to open up more. Looking back it didn't really help me with my social anxiety, because when it came time for class after the weekend I was still as uncomfortable as ever, and I still had trouble calling up my friends to see what they were doing. Now that I'm out of school, I'd like to learn how to have a good time with people without being drunk at the time. I have no delusions about having problems with women, even after I become more confident in myself. But I figure when I can get myself places with confidence and am able to hold a job, I'll probably feel better about myself because I won't feel like a basement dweller anymore. I'm just saying when the time comes I'd rather learn from personal experience then try to follow a book written by some guy who dresses like he should be in the circus. It's just in the mean time, I don't know where the hell I'd go to meet women in my town. I don't know if women hang out in the bars in my town, and any of my friends in town have no interest in bars so I don't have anyone to go with. I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm just not going to throw myself out there unprepared. My plan for being prepared is to do a little self-improvement first: I've been trying to get in better shape, I've been driving more, and so on. I figure if I look like I take reasonable care of myself, maybe that will help project confidence, and I know I feel a lot better about myself when my arms feel a little more toned than they used to be and I can do more physical activity without getting winded. |
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Post by airburst on Jan 25, 2008 1:35:13 GMT -5
Yes I have, and it's gotten me further with women than I normally get. And you didn't answer my question. Also, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but I really want to know just how far you've gotten. Well, it's gotten them tickle me, steal my things and make me chase them to get them back, wanting to spend time with me, wanting me to go to parties with them and stuff like that. The whole point of my posts was to say, "Don't knock it until you try it," but since you've tried it, you certainly have the right to the right to criticize it. And I'm sorry if my questions came off as personal attacks against you, because they weren't. |
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Post by annaa on Jan 25, 2008 5:00:12 GMT -5
The tricks and crap aimed at women on how to get a man are quite disheartening. One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Jan 25, 2008 5:53:15 GMT -5
The tricks and crap aimed at women on how to get a man are quite disheartening. One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. always a big hit at cocktail parties. |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jan 25, 2008 6:02:23 GMT -5
The tricks and crap aimed at women on how to get a man are quite disheartening. One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. always a big hit at cocktail parties. Yeah I guess those cocktail weenies are easy to deep throat. ;D |
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Post by MrNice on Jan 25, 2008 7:48:01 GMT -5
regular guys use the same things to get girls
your afro example is bad
being able to socialize is necessary to pursue social/romantic relationships
but shy guys never learned it
and the material in question is just a way to learn. when you learn something new you do things you never have done before. Claiming that its opposite of yourself is just an excuse.
sigh,. did I say that he should just give up on everything else and start chasing women? No I did not. However he is not planning to do anything about the women situation until some moment in the future where he feels confident. I am just pointing out the problem with this logic. I mean the fact that there are men that are in very good shape have diverse social life in general and a good career and still are clueless with women should be a big hint.
no you don't need it - however it helps and has lots of valuable information
If you want to learn something you can learn it on your own or you can use other people's experience to do it. One way is much faster then the other.
as far as the cult thing goes, there may be guys that treat it that way, however FS is just one of many resources available. Its up to the individual to put things in perspective and see how the information relates to their life.
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Post by lennythegiant on Jan 25, 2008 12:53:47 GMT -5
The tricks and crap aimed at women on how to get a man are quite disheartening. One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. Doesn't seem like very necessary information. I mean, when is the average person going to need to learn how to secretly meet reporters in order to give them information about scandals involving the presidency? Oh wait...that's not it, is it?  |
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Post by annaa on Jan 25, 2008 16:03:32 GMT -5
Haha. You're all so funny. |
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Post by ty78 on Jan 25, 2008 21:48:35 GMT -5
One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. The difference between a woman thats good in bed and one that isn't is freaking huge. If you learn to be a good lover you increase your chances of keeping someone. It also gives you a certain measure of power of the man because men generally have higher sex drives and are more dependent on it. Anyways I suggest reading some seduction books to the OP. "The Mystery Method" really does a good job on explaining the male/female interactions and how females are generally attracted to you. While you certainly don't become casanova at least you can tell where you went wrong |
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Post by skyhint on Jan 25, 2008 22:26:37 GMT -5
One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. The difference between a woman thats good in bed and one that isn't is freaking huge. If you learn to be a good lover you increase your chances of keeping someone. It also gives you a certain measure of power of the man because men generally have higher sex drives and are more dependent on it. Anyways I suggest reading some seduction books to the OP. "The Mystery Method" really does a good job on explaining the male/female interactions and how females are generally attracted to you. While you certainly don't become casanova at least you can tell where you went wrong No, no, no, sex is like pizza when it's good, it's really good. When it's bad, it's still good. And to get a girl to like you You have to let her know that you like her. and you have to give her some time to build up an attraction towards you. If you ask her out too soon then you alienate her and she will think you're creepy. The only difference between creepy and romantic is that you are attracted to the romantic guy. |
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Post by annaa on Jan 25, 2008 22:31:04 GMT -5
One page even lead me to advice on how to deep throat. The difference between a woman thats good in bed and one that isn't is freaking huge. If you learn to be a good lover you increase your chances of keeping someone. It also gives you a certain measure of power of the man because men generally have higher sex drives and are more dependent on it. Just because i'm not going to risk puking on a guys dick, doesn't mean to say I won't be a good lover. |
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Post by MrNice on Jan 25, 2008 23:20:12 GMT -5
yep - and make sure that you are completely committed to the girl before letting her know. otherwise she may end up wasting her time trying to build attraction towards you.
or better yet - wait until some girl to let you know she likes you, then leave her hanging there for a long period of time to see if you build attraction towards her. this is great as you can always let her hang in there waiting for some sort of signal from you that its now ok to ask you out, while all that time you are open to other options. if she presses the issue you can always claim that its too soon to be going out and that she is being creepy. when she can't wait any longer and has to know the answer, since you haven't managed to build any attraction towards her (not that you tried since it was pretty obvious to you in the beginning), tell her that you are still not sure and that you should be friends.
yeah
a woman would consider the guy she is attracted to romantic and the guy she is not attracted to creepy
this is the same whether she has known him for 5 minutes or 5 months
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