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Post by MrNice on Jan 25, 2008 23:29:50 GMT -5
if you have good communication with your partner you won't risk puking on his dick
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Post by phoenixferret on Jan 25, 2008 23:42:17 GMT -5
The difference between a woman thats good in bed and one that isn't is freaking huge. If you learn to be a good lover you increase your chances of keeping someone. It also gives you a certain measure of power of the man because men generally have higher sex drives and are more dependent on it. Just because i'm not going to risk puking on a guys dick, doesn't mean to say I won't be a good lover. Haha, well said! If you need a warm, wet, muscular tube, um... vagina?  No woman needs to learn deep-throating to keep a man any more than a guy needs to be into pegging to keep a woman. Or rather *some* men and women require those things in a partner, but some also require fisting and shoving those little electro-shock rods up the urethra. ANYWAY. regular guys use the same things to get girls your afro example is bad being able to socialize is necessary to pursue social/romantic relationships but shy guys never learned it and the material in question is just a way to learn. when you learn something new you do things you never have done before. Claiming that its opposite of yourself is just an excuse. Let me get this straight… you’re saying that any guy who gets a girl does so using fast seduction techniques? Nope, I think not. “Fast Seduction” is not synonymous with “the ability to socialize.” Try again. There are better ways to learn than by appropriating a set of pre-defined moves and attitudes, especially if the guy in question is looking for more than a series of flings. Like The Rules aimed at women, FS paints dating as a vast head game. One of the threads I read last time I checked out a seduction forum was about how one guy had mastered FS techniques in order to get into a relationship, but once in that position he would start to show real affection, and the girls who had fallen for the cocky/funny guy would get bored of this other side of him and leave. That's a problem right there, the fact that if you change your personality* to get into a relationship, you're going to have to keep up the act to stay in it, but what also appeared to be happening was that the guy in question was always suspicious about his girlfriends; he applied FS to "realize" that women would keep "testing" him even after getting into a relationship. Basically, he could never let down his guard or express his real affection for his girlfriends for fear they’d leave him. [*In anticipation of the usual retort, yes, it IS “changing your personality” to try to act cocky/funny and aloof when that’s not what you’re actually like. It is NOT changing your personality to simply become more social, and “a method to become more social” is not an accurate description of fast seduction any more than “a technique to turn your life around” is an accurate description of a cult.] They're basically the same problems that women who found husbands through The Rules ran into once the honeymoon had ended. The writers of The Rules actually went and wrote a new book about how to keep a husband by applying the rules to every aspect of married life. You can use FS and you can use The Rules to reel in women and men... who happen to be susceptible to FS and The Rules. What is more difficult is performing the permanent personality graft necessary to keep up the crafted persona forever, and getting out of the habit of strategizing your interactions with the opposite sex once you're in a relationship. If all you want is tail or someone to marry you (respectively), you're set. But if you want to be emotionally as well as physically close with a member of the opposite sex, think twice. Did I say you did? No I did not. no you don't need it - however it helps and has lots of valuable information If you want to learn something you can learn it on your own or you can use other people's experience to do it. One way is much faster then the other. Faster isn't synonymous with "better." The way I see it, learning to socialize through trial and error is like learning the guitar through a developed understanding of musical theory and rigorous practice. No, it ain't quick and easy. Fast seduction is like picking up a DVD on "How to Play Like Jimi Hendrix" and memorizing the fingerings and body language for half a dozen songs from the start. Watching the DVD may be the quickest way to impress your friends, but the long way around is arguably the best way--and it still allows you to learn from other people's experience, but in such a way that you're not just parroting, without real understanding, what someone else took the time to really learn. as far as the cult thing goes, there may be guys that treat it that way, however FS is just one of many resources available. Its up to the individual to put things in perspective and see how the information relates to their life. The problem here is that the kind of guy that FS is geared toward is the kind of guy who doesn't know a lot about women. How is he supposed to put things in perspective without any frame of reference other than what FS gives him? I say that because from what I've seen, FS imparts some pretty wonky perspective alongside any truly helpful information. I can't think of any guy I've heard talk about how useful FS is who hasn't come away from the experience with skewed ideas about women and relationships. They seem to consistently indicate "niceness" as a weakness, and are very big on the "look out for number one" philosophy. Coincidence? And as Lenny pointed out, a lack of confidence isn't just a problem when it comes to getting women. Again going back to the guy in the AskMen thread I mentioned earlier, right there's an example of a guy who's now confident in his pick-up abilities, but still fundamentally insecure. When you learn social skills instead of social tricks, I’m going to go out on a limb and say it improves your underlying confidence more than just being able to act your way into a relationship or a sexy rendezvous. |
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Post by skyhint on Jan 25, 2008 23:48:50 GMT -5
yep - and make sure that you are completely committed to the girl before letting her know. otherwise she may end up wasting her time trying to build attraction towards you. or better yet - wait until some girl to let you know she likes you, then leave her hanging there for a long period of time to see if you build attraction towards her. this is great as you can always let her hang in there waiting for some sort of signal from you that its now ok to ask you out, while all that time you are open to other options. if she presses the issue you can always claim that its too soon to be going out and that she is being creepy. when she can't wait any longer and has to know the answer, since you haven't managed to build any attraction towards her (not that you tried since it was pretty obvious to you in the beginning), tell her that you are still not sure and that you should be friends. Uh, so are you saying that it does not take a long time to get a girl to like you? Are you saying that if it takes a long time it's not worth it? Sorry your sarcasm is not very clear. I disagree, over time you can develope a crush on some one. It has happened to me. |
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Post by annaa on Jan 25, 2008 23:55:57 GMT -5
if you have good communication with your partner you won't risk puking on his dick Gag reflex in some people is too strong. No amount of communication will get over that. * Are you the twat that wrote the article? |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jan 26, 2008 1:14:18 GMT -5
if you have good communication with your partner you won't risk puking on his dick Gag reflex in some people is too strong. No amount of communication will get over that. * Are you the twat that wrote the article?[/quote] foot longs are pretty tasty with mustard and relish. |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jan 26, 2008 1:15:10 GMT -5
if you have good communication with your partner you won't risk puking on his dick and you're not squeamish about munching the taco? |
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Post by MrNice on Jan 26, 2008 9:50:05 GMT -5
it doesn't take a long time for a girl to like you enough to agree to spend an hour with you one on one in a coffee shop
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Post by MrNice on Jan 26, 2008 9:55:34 GMT -5
no - learning to sozialize (+pursue women romantically) through trial and error is like picking up the guitar and just trying to play. Good luck with that.
Its even more like writing your own music. Before you can do that you have to learn the theory and learn to play what other people have written.
The material in question is what provides the theory foundation and a set of steps to help one learn. It is not 'quick and easy'. It takes courage dedication and time.
As far as FS is just one of many resources available, a collection of observations. Its up to the individual to see what applies and to really figure things out.
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Post by Stranger on Jan 26, 2008 12:16:30 GMT -5
if you have good communication with your partner you won't risk puking on his dick Gag reflex in some people is too strong. No amount of communication will get over that. * Are you the twat that wrote the article? Unless he's a "cocktail weenie"... ;D |
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Post by annaa on Jan 26, 2008 12:23:50 GMT -5
Gag reflex in some people is too strong. No amount of communication will get over that. * Are you the twat that wrote the article? Unless he's a "cocktail weenie"... ;D lol.  So glad you said it and not me.. might have given him more reason to not like me.  |
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Post by skyhint on Jan 26, 2008 13:14:03 GMT -5
it doesn't take a long time for a girl to like you enough to agree to spend an hour with you one on one in a coffee shop An hour one on one sound pretty intimidating to a shy person. Even if I could get a date like that with someone I just met I probably would not ask for it. Far too stressful IMO. I would instead ask if the person I liked would be at the location we met (bar or whatever) next week and exchange phone numbers. Also, this is just me, but I don't like formal dates. If you are hanging out together and you feel she/he is into you ask for a kiss, or give a hug, or hold hands as you walk her/ him to the car/home. Relationships are much more fun if you don't take them too seriously. |
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Post by konnor on Jan 26, 2008 17:35:59 GMT -5
say anything that comes to mind, smile, ask questions and have confidence in your own qualities. My 2 cents. An hour one on one sound pretty intimidating to a shy person. Even if I could get a date like that with someone I just met I probably would not ask for it. Far too stressful IMO. I would instead ask if the person I liked would be at the location we met (bar or whatever) next week and exchange phone numbers. Also, this is just me, but I don't like formal dates. If you are hanging out together and you feel she/he is into you ask for a kiss, or give a hug, or hold hands as you walk her/ him to the car/home. Relationships are much more fun if you don't take them too seriously. There are people out there who you will find you will be able to talk to for hours on end. Once certain barriers are down the conversation will pick up steam if you are enjoying each others company. I quite like formal dates. You get that focus time where you get to really know a person, as well as learning a little more about yourself. Once the ice is broken and you are on the date you can begin to relax a little. It's breaking the ice that is so god damn hard sometimes. *reaches for his pick |
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Post by MrNice on Jan 26, 2008 20:10:56 GMT -5
you never know unless you try.
have you tried it?
if I thought about it that way I would proabably be sqeamish
otherwise its quite fun
obviously you exchange phone numbers and don't just try to set it up right there
hanging out one on one is a necessary part of establishing a relationsip, whether romantic or friendship, or whatever else
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Post by Stranger on Jan 26, 2008 22:26:36 GMT -5
you never know unless you try. have you tried it? Have you ever sucked a penis? You won't know you won't like it unless you try. While one mightn't know from experience, they can still be thoroughly convinced beyond reasonable doubt that they will not enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with simply finding something unappealing. |
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Post by pnoopiepnats on Jan 26, 2008 22:46:24 GMT -5
Have you ever sucked a penis? You won't know you won't like it unless you try. While one mightn't know from experience, they can still be thoroughly convinced beyond reasonable doubt that they will not enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with simply finding something unappealing. Despite what the latest porn shows, there are quite a few women who won't do it at all. |
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No woman needs to learn deep-throating to keep a man any more than a guy needs to be into 
