Girls, are you too nice?

[Richard Cunningham]

PnoopiePnats said:

So tell me what is so wrong with an intelligent woman?

They can think for themselves and can't be easily controlled.
It's a terrible terrible sin.

[MrNice]

But what is this article suggesting to women? To become an inconsiderate bitch

A perfect example of twisting what the author is suggesting into an extreme. As I mentioned before, its a tendency to take any sort of advice that involves changing personality a bit to becoming complete opposite.

[pnoopiepnats]

Russ said:

Sure, confident women can be attractive, but most often they're not, at least to me.

And before you start, i am not your typical nice guy wimp; i happen to very adversarial and can be very difficult to talk with about things, because i tend to cling to my own opinions rather than others.

But what is this article suggesting to women? To become an inconsiderate bitch, is that it? Uh uh, sorry. This type wouldn't be my cup of tea. And i prefer Earl Grey, FYI.

you sound pretty insecure and threatened.

btw I don't like dumb guys, or religious zealots, or guys who think they know it all with loud mouths, or guys who don't masterbate, or guys who are threatened by a different opinion than their own, or guys to bla bla bla on and on about nothing just to hear themselves talk.

[wagnerr]

PnoopiePnats said:

you sound pretty insecure and threatened.

btw I don't like dumb guys, or religious zealots, or guys who think they know it all with loud mouths, or guys who don't masterbate, or guys who are threatened by a different opinion than their own, or guys to bla bla bla on and on about nothing just to hear themselves talk.

Oh my god! You found out my secret! Ahhhhh!

This is terrible! Another human being figured me out!

Yeah, Yeah, you're a genius. I'm a very simple guy, it's not hard to figure out.

I deal with opionated and bitchy women everyday, and i'm sick of them. Give me a quiet, shy girl any day. At least then i won't feel like i'm a lower lifeform around her all the time.

So tell me what is so wrong with an intelligent woman?

Nothing's wrong with an intelligent woman. I prefer them, actually. The problem is, nearly all the intelligent women i've met think they're goddesses that can do anything they want.

Please. I'm not gonna chase after some Daddy's little princess.

[MrNice]

Dude you are putting the smileys in all the wrong places

[wagnerr]

lsdima said:

Dude you are putting the smileys in all the wrong places

Ah, the great Lsdima reduced to punctuation critique.

I see. I'll rest easy now.


BTW, just kidding man.

[pnoopiepnats]

Russ said:

Nothing's wrong with an intelligent woman. I prefer them, actually. The problem is, nearly all the intelligent women i've met think they're goddesses that can do anything they want.

Please. I'm not gonna chase after some Daddy's little princess.

I seriously doubt those big mouths are truly intelligent. They just have the bla bla bla that make them appear so and yeah I have worked with them too.

[Samantha]

Nobody likes a smraty pnats.

[pnoopiepnats]

SweetPea said:

yuppers, intelligent women are a real pain in the ass.

ya know I spent years playing down my smarts to appease frail egos and dumb bunnys but I don't now. Dumb people are annoying and I make sure to point it out to them whenever I can. Nothing worse than being on the job and having to explain some simple thing 50 times to some dumb cluck. Oh and Richie correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think he was being down on smart women.

[HybridMoment]

I wouldn't necessarily trust an article from a site like that in the first place, but when I read it just sounded like any other article from some phony "self proclaimed relationship expert". I personally couldn't relate to any of the examples in the article and some of the things it mentioned seemed to be contradictory.

For example:

* You let him make all the decisions and you agree with every single one.
* You willingly offer to sacrifice your friends, hobbies, and personal life for him.
* You give much more to the relationship than he ever has or will.
* Men tell you that you are a control freak, and you have no idea why.

Three statements sound like a nice woman would agree to all decisions and then it says that men say you are a control freak. A true control freak would be more likely to disagree and not sacrifice anything so they could have more control.

Though I could see why men would not want to date the kind of women described in the article.

[Richard Cunningham]

pnoopiepnats said:

SweetPea said:

yuppers, intelligent women are a real pain in the ass.

Oh and Richie correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think he was being down on smart women.

I don't care.

[MrNice]

Dumb people are annoying and I make sure to point it out to them whenever I can. Nothing worse than being on the job and having to explain some simple thing 50 times to some dumb cluck.

Is your name Alice by any chance?

[pnoopiepnats]

lsdima said:

Dumb people are annoying and I make sure to point it out to them whenever I can. Nothing worse than being on the job and having to explain some simple thing 50 times to some dumb cluck.

Is your name Alice by any chance?

Is yours Michelle?

[Richard Cunningham]

sweetpea said:

albatross said:

I know a guy like that. His whole life changed, he stoped talking to all his friends she didn't aprove of, stoped going out. his whole life was her

oh, yeah? how did that turn out?

I'm guessing murder suicide.

[wagnerr]

Okay, i've been away for a few days, so i'm glad to be back here with all of my shy friends. I hope we've all upgraded our lives and posts to meet the new upgraded board. HeeHee. A little humor here.

I re-read this article, this time with a much more neutral perspective. I can relate to what the author of the artilce is talking about, but again, i feel like she's preacing to the choir.

My school has nearly 70% of the student body as female, or varrying ages, or at least, that was last year's student censur report. Anyway, i ecnounter many different types of women every day; young and old, smart and dumb, mature and immature, and motivated and lonely/ shy. I can make a few critical judgements here, based on my observations:

If you answered yes to two or more of these questions then you are definitely acting too nice. Time to be more of a bitch!

I think we need less of this for one thing. Women should respect themselves before others firts, praticularly men, so this is a no-no.

Another bad habit of single nice woman is that they are always talking about how nice they are and feeling like a martyr. In fact, many of them make the fatal mistake of complaining to a potential date about how they have always been abused or taken advantage of by their former partners. This is just a passive-aggressive way of being whiny that drives men away in droves, simply because it is so boring to listen to! Men want to spend time with women who are confident, have faith in the future and have their own opinions to express.

This part here is true; if you whine about things all the time, particularly to your friends or potential dates, then no, they're not going to want to be around you.

Isn't it often true that men prefer bitches, witches and nasty pieces of ass to good girls? For those women who constantly end up being trapped in the "friend's zone" of a relationship, it certainly looks that way. Just like nice guys, nice gals seem to finish last.

This part in particular seems to be bs. Nice gals/guys may finish last, but who is say that finishing first is such a big deal. The point to life is live and better yourself, and enjoy the process and learn from it, not to get to the grave before anyone else.

The worst consequence of being too nice is that you might attract a man that is more than willing to take advantage of how nice you are! If you act like a doormat or a victim, then you will eventually attract a man who is all too willing to take advantage of your kindness.

In my own experience and from what i've seen of women, it seems to be the bitches that end up being the doormats, not the other way around. So i'm not sure what the author means here.

The fact that men are attracted to slightly nasty women might also have its roots in evolutionary biology. Back in the days of the caveman, there was no such thing as nice. It was the nice woman who would walk right up to a tigerosaurus, try to pet it and be eaten. Also, women who have a bit of a nasty edge might also be fiercer protectors of the clan's brood. In essence, men might simply be biologically trained somehow to prefer a slightly feisty woman to a people pleaser.

This part is also crap. Men and women are both sentient creatures that learn through experience primarily, and the bitches seem to be a little short on learned expereince, just like with the assholes. Men are attracted to a variety of women, not just one type in particular. The pleasing man or the pleasing women are also the ones that will be more likely to compromise, and not expect their mates to go up and pet a "tigersaurus", whatever the hell this means anyway.

nice women are often targeted by victimizers and abusers simply because nice women are often perceived as being desperate. They come off as insecure people who are willing to give up everything--their morals, their lifestyle, their children, their health and even their very soul--just to have a relationship. A word from the wise ... nobody should ever want a relationship that badly.

I don't think nice women are percieved as "desperate". The desperate ones seem to be the bitches, not the nice women. I know several women in my life that would never make this mistake of throwing away all that is important to them for a relationship, including a few of the female members on this board.

This kind of "leave-everything-for-love-scenario" comes out of the goddamned soap operas and movies, or plays like Romeo and Juliet or Othello. Very few people would do this, and all it takes is once for a woman/man to experience the pasionate heartbreak and quickly become psychologically marked by it, so as not to do this shit again.