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Post by lennythegiant on Mar 26, 2007 20:48:53 GMT -5
I hope so, because life seems awfully pointless if we are just here by freak chance.
With that said, I hate both Pat Robertson and Richard Dawkins with a passion. They both come off as equally large douchebags.
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Post by Orionation on Apr 21, 2007 15:08:31 GMT -5
If there is a god then I doubt it's some white guy with a beard keeping score on who goes to hell. lol I highly doubt that too lol |
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Post by ridder on Apr 21, 2007 20:19:01 GMT -5
First off, I did not see this posted yet so I thought I would add: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1mTNqdFO8 (crazy christian video) Secondly, something that has always bothered me: In the Lords Prayer, which if you aren't aware goes Our Father, which art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, in earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; But deliver us from evil: [For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory, For ever and ever.] Amen. What always caught my eye was the "And lead us not into temptation..." We are talking to God, right? Why would he lead us into temptation? I thought that was the Devil's job? What the Hell?  |
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Post by Orionation on Apr 21, 2007 21:11:24 GMT -5
In the Lords Prayer, which if you aren't aware goes Our Father, which art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, in earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; But deliver us from evil: [For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory, For ever and ever.] Amen. What always caught my eye was the "And lead us not into temptation..." We are talking to God, right? Why would he lead us into temptation? I thought that was the Devil's job? What the Hell? It's just saying to lead us away from it. Without trusting in the Spirit, according to the Bible, man becomes deceived and easily falls into temptation. So it's basically acknowledging that by putting your focus on God, you won't be lead into temptation like you normally would be without God. " Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak." - Matthew 26:41 " My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into diverse temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." - James 1:2-4 " Blessed is the man that endureth tempation: for when he is tried, he shall receive a crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." - James 1:12-15 |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Apr 22, 2007 1:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by cradith on Apr 23, 2007 12:11:31 GMT -5
That is why prostitution, porn and anything to do with sex that is not intended for procreatiation is seen as a sin according to Church law. Any way how do we know that God is not a woman just because the Bible says He. The Church has stolen alot from the religions that they were trying to get rid off. Like we are not suppose worship false gods, if you look at any culture there mythology has a pantheon of gods. Like the list of saints that Catholics have. I do believe there is a God, not only because that is how I was raised. But because I don't like the idea that your soul just floaats around in space after death.
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Post by lennythegiant on Apr 25, 2007 21:23:26 GMT -5
That is why prostitution, porn and anything to do with sex that is not intended for procreatiation is seen as a sin according to Church law. Any way how do we know that God is not a woman just because the Bible says He. The Church has stolen alot from the religions that they were trying to get rid off. Like we are not suppose worship false gods, if you look at any culture there mythology has a pantheon of gods. Like the list of saints that Catholics have. I do believe there is a God, not only because that is how I was raised. But because I don't like the idea that your soul just floaats around in space after death. Well some believe that after they die that's it, the end of their consciousness. I'm not one of them (at least I hope that isn't the case), I'm just going to throw it out there. The thing of it is, I've been caught in the trap of arguing about whether religion is good or not plenty of times on the Internet. I kind of wish it was a habit I could break, because no matter what you believe, you have to agree that life is too short to jump down each other's throat about it. |
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Post by audioalone on Dec 7, 2007 18:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by MrNice on Dec 7, 2007 19:04:14 GMT -5
the articles state nothing new
whoever the author of the second article is - they are just one more reason to oppose religion
they just repeat the dogma they selectively picked out from various sources and try to present it as convincing intelligent argument
if the author thinks his arguments are somehow convincing he is just deluded - it is obvious from the article that he does not even know what theory of evolution is
sorry audio. they are not well written
there is a reason that churches use 'give your heart to the lord'
its because in the end thats what religion is all about
there was no convincing scientific evidence of anything specific about a god - that means that even if there is a 'higher intelligence' - we know NOTHING about it
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Post by Sweet Pea on Dec 8, 2007 0:10:43 GMT -5
in my opinion, islamic terrorists are not nearly the threat that right-wing fundamentalist christian bigots are...particularly when they exercise power in government. my favorite line in the second article was "...I emptied my mind of prejudice." damn...i wish he woulda given instructions so we could all be as freethinking! sorry, these articles were a miss for me. but to each their own. |
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Post by phoenixferret on Dec 8, 2007 0:32:22 GMT -5
in my opinion, islamic terrorists are not nearly the threat that right-wing fundamentalist christian bigots are...particularly when they exercise power in government. Argh, must get off SU! ;D But I think so, too. Islamic terrorists haven't got one past us on our own soil since 9/11, but Christian fundamentalism seems to be infesting our national outlook and government policies to a disturbing degree, at times. I'm currently more worried about having my personal rights infringed by the far right than I am about getting blown up in a holy jihad. |
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Post by Tal on Dec 8, 2007 4:54:57 GMT -5
Sorry but those articles were awful  The first is no more than an opinion piece lacking any reference to supporting evidence and the second was mostly a misunderstanding of scientific theory. Sadly at the heart of these believer's arguments is the flawed concept that everything must have a designer. The world and life don't have designs...the fact they've turned out how they are today is down very much to random chance. The problem with religion is it limits your mind...it prevents you from opening up to awe-inspiring (but evidence-rich) ideas, like evolution. When you constrain your thinking to everything being designed for a purpose within a timescale of several thousand years, you lose perspective and can't even evaluate a scientific argument which relies of accident and random chance over billions of years. The evolution of the eye is a nice enough example of how components of our body have evolved with no ultimate design existing. The mutations that led to a better image being fed to the brain allowed their hosts to survive, whereas the weaker eyes simply died. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ybWucMx4W8&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=lEKyqIJkuDQ&feature=relatedWhen you just have cells joining together and mutating, its not unconceivable to see how a collection of small things can eventually form something more complicated. Far more awe-inspiring than any God I've heard of though. Of course I don't believe life came from nothing, but whatever created it was most certainly inanimate, and thus lacking intelligence. |
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Post by Linzi on Dec 8, 2007 10:24:17 GMT -5
Let me pose a question: Do you believe that you yourself came from NOTHING? Well that is what will always make me believe there is a "higher being" out there so to speak. Who or what it is, is pretty open to debate imo, but essentially something can not come from nothing. I mean there are other theories of course, but such an argument as the "big bang" is extremely far fetched imo. |
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Post by phoenixferret on Dec 8, 2007 10:54:52 GMT -5
Let me pose a question: Do you believe that you yourself came from NOTHING? Well that is what will always make me believe there is a "higher being" out there so to speak. Who or what it is, is pretty open to debate imo, but essentially something can not come from nothing. I mean there are other theories of course, but such an argument as the "big bang" is extremely far fetched imo. The Big Bang is more far fetched than the concept that an all-powerful sentient being thought the entire universe into existence?  Do you believe that God himself came from NOTHING? |
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Post by HybridMoment on Dec 8, 2007 14:07:06 GMT -5
in my opinion, islamic terrorists are not nearly the threat that right-wing fundamentalist christian bigots are...particularly when they exercise power in government. Argh, must get off SU! ;D But I think so, too. Islamic terrorists haven't got one past us on our own soil since 9/11, but Christian fundamentalism seems to be infesting our national outlook and government policies to a disturbing degree, at times. I'm currently more worried about having my personal rights infringed by the far right than I am about getting blown up in a holy jihad. I'd still take a crazy Christian fundamentalist over a crazy Islamic fundamentalist any day. The Christian wouldn't call for my death over naming a teddy bear. |
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