Immigration Laws

[theinfiniteabyss84]

There are a lot of marches and rallies across the U.S., Chicago had one 2 weeks ago and there are some in California and in Texas, of immigrants who are here illegally from Mexico. I am curious to hear opinions from people here, do you think that its there right to find work here or do you think they should be tougher laws concerning immigrants from Mexico, maybe even building a wall separating the U.S to Mexico so it wouldnt be so easy for them to cross the border.

What does everyone think?

I shall state my opinion later

~i.a.

[pnoopiepnats]

theinfiniteabyss84 said:

There are a lot of marches and rallies across the U.S., Chicago had one 2 weeks ago and there are some in California and in Texas, of immigrants who are here illegally from Mexico. I am curious to hear opinions from people here, do you think that its there right to find work here or do you think they should be tougher laws concerning immigrants from Mexico, maybe even building a wall separating the U.S to Mexico so it wouldnt be so easy for them to cross the border.

What does everyone think?

I shall state my opinion later

~i.a.

I don't know. People seem to look the other way about it. They have to have some system to get in and stay.

It sorta ticks me off as they can sneak in here and stay and most have no work skills and they get on welfare here somehow. Here I have heaps of skills and wouldn't be a burden on society and try to do things the right way and I still have a hell of a time moving to another country.

[zaab]

sweetpea said:

i don't think there would be much of an illegal immigrant problem if there weren't so many people hiring them. it's kinda like prostitution that way.

Yeah, I think that's true. I think the unspoken truth of the matter is that illegal immigration is a significant part of our economy. There are always going to be those jobs that noone else wants so illegals fill that niche. The restraints they've built so far have done nothing but force the illegal immigrants to cross inhospitable land risking their lives and dying in many cases.

[reddragon]

zaab70 said:

Yeah, I think that's true. I think the unspoken truth of the matter is that illegal immigration is a significant part of our economy. There are always going to be those jobs that noone else wants so illegals fill that niche. The restraints they've built so far have done nothing but force the illegal immigrants to cross inhospitable land risking their lives and dying in many cases.

I disagree only that there is no such thing as a job no one else wants. If you pay a wage high enough you will be flooded with capable candidates, simple supply and demand. The truth is that illegals will do the work far more cheaply than a citizen will. That is the real point, business leaders exploiting cheap labor to disrupt basic laws of supply and demand to keep wages at an artificially low level. If the law was truly enforced there would be no jobs these people could get, no jobs no immigration problem.

[zaab]

reddragon said:

zaab70 said:

Yeah, I think that's true. I think the unspoken truth of the matter is that illegal immigration is a significant part of our economy. There are always going to be those jobs that noone else wants so illegals fill that niche. The restraints they've built so far have done nothing but force the illegal immigrants to cross inhospitable land risking their lives and dying in many cases.

I disagree only that there is no such thing as a job no one else wants. If you pay a wage high enough you will be flooded with capable candidates, simple supply and demand. The truth is that illegals will do the work far more cheaply than a citizen will. That is the real point, business leaders exploiting cheap labor to disrupt basic laws of supply and demand to keep wages at an artificially low level. If the law was truly enforced there would be no jobs these people could get, no jobs no immigration problem.

Yeah, I agree, good point.

[wagnerr]

I would like to see immigration laws tightened up in US, yes. If only because citizens are having to pay for these illegals' kids to go to school and for healthcare. They also don't pay taxes either. That's crazy!!

If you're gonna live in a country, you otta observe it's laws and pay it's taxes.

There are a lot of marches and rallies across the U.S., Chicago had one 2 weeks ago and there are some in California and in Texas, of immigrants who are here illegally from Mexico. I am curious to hear opinions from people here, do you think that its there right to find work here or do you think they should be tougher laws concerning immigrants from Mexico, maybe even building a wall separating the U.S to Mexico so it wouldnt be so easy for them to cross the border.


~i.a.

Mexico is only the tip of the iceberg, IA. There are millions of people every year trying to come to the US from not just Mexico, but also Central and South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia.

I don't think a wall around the Southern border is gonna solve the problem. The INS needs more money for operation, and the authority to enforce already existing immigration laws.

This being said, i'm all for immigrants who come here legally. I like hispanics and their culture; i made a real effort to learn their language and culture years ago. If you want to move to another country, you should observe their laws. Most people do.

[zaab]

sweetpea said:

hmmm...maybe if we built a great wall between the US and Mexico we could charge tourists admission to visit it just like they do in china!

Let's do it between the US and Canada instead. The last thing we need in this country is more ice hockey and beer. There aren't more than a dozen states where you can even find a place to play ice hockey anymore, so all the more reason.

[shypsychologyguy]

I think its hurting america and really changing the demographics. Hispanics will overtake african americans as far as number and if it continues possibly whites and this will probly create rasicm and bias . If president bush would just close the border or enforce it with troops he would save his failing second term. Imagine if america ever fell back into a depression and facism or the exteremist in the democratic party rose like in nazi germany then these illegals will be the scapegoat and open for alot of abuse. we are already seeing alot of hostility towards them. I cant necessarily blaim these illegals for wantting to come over as individually but collectivly they are hurting america.

also if they come to america they should be expected to become americans, not erasing there culture but learning english and some of american traditions to go along with their own.

a guest worker program would be good.

[skyhint]

I saw on the news today that Holland is making videos to discourage tourists and immigrants. It talks about how cold it is there and how the tansit system has a tight schedule and will probably leave you stranded if you are a second late, and how its illegal to discriminate against homosexuals.

A similar video could easily be made about the united States. Introduce would-be immigrants to a few New Yorkers that'll discourage them.

[sushiboat]

shypsychologyguy said:

Imagine if america ever fell back into a depression and facism or the exteremist in the democratic party rose like in nazi germany

Hmm, I wonder how that would play out. One party would gain control of all three branches of government. It would use the powers of government to suppress dissent. It would start wars of conquest to gain control of valuable resources. It would suspend civil liberties and throw suspects into prison without due process. It would torture its enemies. It would spy on its own citizens without court oversight. It would use fear of a shadowy enemy to subdue the population. It would consolidate all power into a single leader, with the other two branches too feeble to resist.

Why does this sound familiar? Because it's already happening.

[shypsychologyguy]

ha ha we have a jokester in the house.

[shypsychologyguy]

and i garuntee if the economy falls the american people will be scapegoating hispanics even if they are not illegal aliens.

[reddragon]

shypsychologyguy said:

and i garuntee if the economy falls the american people will be scapegoating hispanics even if they are not illegal aliens.

I see no need to make this a racial thing.

The fact is that I am against all illegal immigration, the race of the person makes no difference to me. They are all breaking the law.

[shytothebone]

Tougher laws isn't the answer. We should already enforce the laws we already have which no one does. We need to put the military on the border to stop the illegals and the drug cartels with the bought off Mexican army from crossing. I would love to see the looks on the cartels and the Mexican army's faces when they cross our border to be looking down the barrel of an abrams tank. Then we need to put sanctions on Mexico to give them the idea we mean business. They need to straighten their shit out.

As far as the illegals already here they need to prove themselves worthy of citizenship. They keep working, learn to speak English, get an education or pass a test we give them. They should be able to do this in 5 years if not get your ass back to Mexico.

I can understand why they come here because all they can do in Mexico is eat dirt, hell I would try to come to America to if I lived in a shit hole like that. If the people of Mexico had any leadership or really even gave a damn about their own country, If they are such hard working compassionate people like everyone says they are they can turn their own country around and not worry about coming to America to find work. Have a revolution, reform and rebuild is what they should do. They just don't know what power of the people means.

[zaab]

Given that the US is 8 trillion in the hole, is entangled in a war every bit as promising as Vietnam, lacks the ability to save its cities from natural calamities, can't provide basic health care to its citizenry, and has to endure several more years (at least) of lame duck leadership, I think that the last thing this country needs to do is self righteously dole out sanctions on countries it shamelessly exploits, like Mexico. A little self examination never hurt anyone.