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Post by christfollower on May 19, 2006 1:30:14 GMT -5
Risking their lives? 4.8 million Illegal immigrants crossed the border last year. US Borer Patrol estimates 1 out of 4 of these are caught. Less than 600 died last year crossing the border. That is roughly .01 percent. It's sad that people die trying to cross our borders, but most of the deaths are due to the persons lack of preparation, mainly not bring enough water.
As far as the big companies keeping their interest in Mexico through the government is a false accusation. Actually, American companies are leaving Mexico and building in other countries due to they have even cheaper labor. Namely India and Pakistan.
Things are not as bad in Mexico as they are in other parts of South America. Mexico is having their own borders crossed by illegal immigrants from Ecuador taking jobs away from Mexicans due to they will work for less. Mexico is taking a strong stand against this and are strengthen their borders to stop the illegal crossing while at the same time telling the US they want no border between the two nations.
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Post by MrNice on May 19, 2006 10:04:38 GMT -5
here is an idea
they can put a mine field on the border or let out wild animals and film a reality show about people trying to cross the border
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Post by zaab on May 19, 2006 22:18:06 GMT -5
Last time I checked, Mexico wasn't part of South America, Ecuador didn't share a border with Mexico, and people don't make perilous crossings of fortified borders just for the heck of it.
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Post by christfollower on May 20, 2006 1:05:38 GMT -5
Who said anything about Ecuador sharing a border - I said they are crossing the border into Mexico - the do not stop in Venezuela.
Worded this wrong - sorry. should say "Things are not as bad in Mexico as they are in parts of South America." This was a point to how far south things really go.
I have several friends from Guatemala that have families trying to get either to Mexico or here. I also have a friend from Ecuador who family back home lives in conditions much worse then the Hispanics. Yet it amazes me that people who want to condemn American business' in Mexico for being the reason for the low lifestyle seen their fail to look at the countries south of Mexico. It is because after that look they have to be quite due to their large American business theory is shot. People are quick to blame things that they do not really understand in depth. It is not the business' that put those people in the poverty life style, it is their own country. How someone can say that big business' are the blame when the poverty level was lower in the region before the big business moved in. But as I said earlier, those business' are moving out to get more from their money from other countries.
Fortified borders? Where? Only on the Southern borders of Mexico.
Isdima - is that the best you can do? I do not find humor in other's misery. I know it was not meant to be taken literally, but even a thought like that is horrid.
American citizens would rather help those countries gain a better life for themselves in their own country than flee to America in large masses - at least some of them. There are many organizations that travel to these countries and help the people live a better life. One group my family has helped, goes to Nicaragua and builds a community - kinda like a large subdivision. They build simple homes, drill wells for water, build irrigation units and teach the people how to effectively grow crops. This puts the people in a better situation. I also have friends who have gone to Ecuador to help build homes. But for some reason some people in America would rather sit at home and complain.
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Post by zaab on May 20, 2006 2:18:37 GMT -5
There are fortified borders along the metro areas on the border which leads the illegals to try something even more dangerous, an attempted crossing through the desert. As I've noted before, I don't hold big businesses solely to blame. They act in concert with the governments that allow them to treat laborers as pawns in their greedy games. If businesses can just high tail it out of a country with no accountability to go to wherever it is in the world they can pay people even more poorly, it doesn't particularly make things better in my eyes. Its a horrible state of affairs where a few people get incredibly rich while millions starve through no fault of their own, and that's the thing that really disgusts me.
And I truly admire people who volunteer and affect change in Latin America and elsewhere. I have traveled to South America and I've considered, and am still considering, doing volunteer work there. But as admirable as these actions are, I don't think they can fully remedy the situation like large scale political and economic change can.
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Post by christfollower on May 22, 2006 23:10:26 GMT -5
With this type of debate between us here and not really getting anywhere - does anyone think that the government will be able to get thing done on this subject? Can they get 2/3 to agree? Can the House and Senate compromise on the 2 bills? Or will we be in the same situation next year and each year after?
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Post by wagnerr on May 23, 2006 11:19:39 GMT -5
With this type of debate between us here and not really getting anywhere - does anyone think that the government will be able to get thing done on this subject? Can they get 2/3 to agree? Can the House and Senate compromise on the 2 bills? Or will we be in the same situation next year and each year after? Probably not, because everyone in Congress wants something different on this issue.  In the case of Latin America, Mexico can be considered part of Central America, because most of the illegals coming to the US are actually from the Southern portion of Mexico, not from the North. Either from the metropolitan Mexico City area, or farther down where the socialist ladn reform hit the jungles hard, and forced the people out and into the cities. Chiapas, one of the poorer Mexican states, has a very high level of migration, very similar to Guatemala and El Slavador. The Mexican govt does not want these undesireables in their business, amounting to almost racial prejudice. The migrants from the South are more of the Indian blood than European; not so with the ruling and middle classes of Mexico. These undesireables are considered inferior by the upper classes, and so are encouraged to leave by a variety of methods, included land confiscation. Obviously Ecuador and Mexico do not share borders, but the same problems of Central America are also prevalent in South America, particularly along the ecquatorian regions. Argentina and Brazil are experiencing the same kinds of mass immigration problems that the US is experiencing, and the native citizens there don't like it any more. I don't know the numbers, but there was a Discovery channel tv show a year or so again talking about the migrants from Ecuador and Peru, and Bolivia in crossing the Atacama Desert to go to Chile in search of a better life and work. In addition, the Amazon jungles are as frought with danger as the desert is. Seems illegal migration is not soley an American problem, and we are not the only ones trying to prevent it.  |
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Post by Buzzz on May 25, 2006 17:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by Sweet Pea on May 25, 2006 17:36:36 GMT -5
omg! that was priceless! ;D |
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Post by nats on May 25, 2006 17:38:16 GMT -5
that is brilliant  |
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