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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 27, 2006 23:01:13 GMT -5
Crash ive never seen you so non-blasphemous why is that. I do agree that it seems to have gotten into an attack on him.
someone asked if he would feel the same about the issue had he not found his GF. I cant answer for him but i will answer for me.
I have been praying for months for the date i had recently. after initiating the date I had the worst anxiety and feelings of impending doom that ive ever had I even thought about going back for therapy. Interestingly the day I was debating going to therapy my therapist called and said they had a social anxiety group starting. this was nearly one year since i started therapy and it had seemed that after a year there would be no such group. and I had never talked to my therapist since ending therapy a year prior. talk about good timing
THrough prayer I overcame that anxiety and on the date I was not only anxiety free but I was not shy it seemed almost like a religious experience.
then that weekend a women approached me and said she was has been praying id find a girl and that she thinks somethings in store for me and that ide be walking the isle in marriage soon. that creeped me out
right now the anxiety is still there and im confused about what to do next but im learning more about the whole process and it has really drawn me closer to God.
so in sum Ive had peace and held my current views before going on the date with this girl.
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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 27, 2006 23:13:04 GMT -5
Crash ive never seen you so non-blasphemous why is that. lol! I don't think its very fair for someone to have their beliefs attacked just because they differ from anothers. The view points presented by scotty and yourself are different from my own. I don't believe in following a religion...not quite sure what I believe in. That doesn't mean that I think its ok to try and discredit what someone else believes. ....don't get the wrong idea, I'm still very blasphemous. ;D |
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Post by MrNice on Mar 27, 2006 23:19:18 GMT -5
I will quote you on this later  |
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Post by zaab on Mar 27, 2006 23:20:21 GMT -5
From what I've read it does seem as though scotty's belief has been attacked...challenged whatever and that he's just defending his own personal opinions. He's been accused of shoving his beliefs down everyone's throat, but to me it looks like its more of the opposite. I agree. And besides, he's offering advice to SPG who shares his beliefs, so it seems like appropriate advice. |
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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 27, 2006 23:25:57 GMT -5
I will quote you on this later HAHA! I knew that was coming. |
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Post by scottydstno on Mar 27, 2006 23:36:58 GMT -5
The only single thing I got out of this was that you do not understand what I mean by "faith". So this makes no since as an argument agains't me. If what you describe as "faith" is what it was in Christianity, then you might be right, but it is not. It doesn't even matter though, because my original post was not directed toward anyone but SPG. And yes I am defending myself, agains't your attacks on my personal beliefs that I was sharing with SPG because he asked for advice, and knowing that he is a Christian, I gave him my advice based on that subject since I am one as well. That's all it was.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 27, 2006 23:53:49 GMT -5
well, if tomorrow I started praying and doing whatever else you you think following the bible means then I would have faith in your particular interpretations of it
you are the one saying that faith will yield rewards not me
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 27, 2006 23:58:51 GMT -5
i dont really consider my religion a "religion" . religion is something that is based on doing works to achive salvation so if you stop doing works you lose your salvation (supposedly in mans view) Religion is bad. I beleive that my "religion" is more of an encounter and relationship with God and that there is nothing related to works that has anything to do with where a person spends eternity.
basically you can accept christ and never step in a church , never read the bible , never do religious things yet still go to heaven though it would be unlikely a christian would not desire to do those things.
here is a questionaire that I would like each of you to read and seriously consider please do not respond to it except in your own heart and mind. and feel free to let me know if you have any questions about it.
do you consider yourself to be a good person?
yes or no
have you kept the ten commandments
yes or no
Have you ever told a lie
yes or no
if yes what does that make you?
the answer should be a liar
the bible says Thou shalt not bear false witness Exo: 20:16
Have you ever stolen anything?
yes or no
if yes what does that make you?
exodus 20:15 says thou shalt not steal
Have you ever used Gods name in vain
yes or no
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy God in vain: for the lord will not hold him guitless that taketh his name in vein
if you have then that makes you a blasphemer
have you ever killed/hated?
Exodus 20:13 thou shalt not kill
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer
so if you have ever hated what does that make you?
based on only a few of the ten commandments you are a
liar, theif, blasphemer, and murderer
if you were to be put on trial and judged by God for these things would you be found guilty or innocent?
clearly guilty as we all are
would you deserve an eternity in heaven or hell
hell
why ?
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
Romans 6:23 says for the wages of sin is death
heres the good news though
christ came into the world to save us from our sin. Imagine a murderer being on trial and Christ steps up and says to let him go that he will pay the penalty/death sentence for that murderer. That is why christ died on the cross.
Romans 8:58 says but God commanded his love toward us that while we were yet sinners christ died for us
Romans 8:1 There is ,therfore now, no condemnation to them who are in Christ
How can you be saved ?
Romans 10: 9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus , and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him frim the dead , thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness: and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13 For whoshallever call upon the name of the lord shall be saved
What about doing good Works ( baptism, giving, being a good person, church attendance, Hail Marys, etc) you might ask?
"for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2:8-9.
I want to encourage you to search your heart and if you feel like you are Godless, empty , guilty, etc then that is likely the holy spirit speaking to you. If you reject Christ's gift the bible says you are calling God a liar and that is the only unforgivable sin . You have until your last breath to accept christ but you dont know when that will be.
so what will you choose
yes I acknowledge that I am a sinner, I am bound for hell, Christ died for me and he alone is my only hope. if you choose this just pray to God from your heart and accept the gift.
no, I choose to reject Christ's gift of salvation.
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Post by GreenFerret on Mar 28, 2006 0:01:06 GMT -5
What I think is funny is when Christians even dare to insinuate that people who don't believe in God/Jesus are going to hell, or will not be "saved." That is fundamentally judgemental. And yes I consider thousands of things playing perfectly off one another a little more than being lucky. A series of incredible coincidences changed my life for the better--from blah to pretty darn nice--last year. Satan must have been rewarding me for refusing to accept Christ as my lord and savior.  Sometimes great things, even impossibly great things, just happen--probably just as often to people of no faith as to people with faith. Anyway, in the context of the original purpose of this thread, the advice seems appropriate seeing as SPG is himself a fundamentalist. But I think the reason ScottyD's advice is being questioned is that as much as it might appeal to SPG's religious nature, it's probably not very helpful. SPG seems already to have quite a lot of faith--what he lacks is a GF, and in the interest of obtaining one he wrote to a shyness forum for practical advice. In my mind, whether advice is "good" or not depends on whether it will make the recipient's life better (unless the benefit is that it keeps someone else from harm, but that's another story)--ie, if it will make them happier in the long run. So would SPG be happier just having faith and realizing that perhaps God intended for him to be alone all his life, or would he be happier making a concentrated effort to get the most out of every date, and possibly get a GF out of that? I don't know the answer, but it's something to think about. And last I just have to add how much I HATE insinuations that if you don't like it, you "don't get it." Whether it's religion or a special method of chattin' up the ladies, it's incredibly annoying, and indeed arrogant,to just assume that anyone who disagrees with what you believe just "doesn't understand." |
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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 28, 2006 0:08:29 GMT -5
And last I just have to add how much I HATE insinuations that if you don't like it, you "don't get it." Whether it's religion or a special method of chattin' up the ladies, it's incredibly annoying, and indeed arrogant,to just assume that anyone who disagrees with what you believe just "doesn't understand." Eh, I agree with that. |
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Post by scottydstno on Mar 28, 2006 0:16:33 GMT -5
Faith in God, in my own Christian opinion, is loving God, in a way that would take too long to explain well right now, so yes, I'd say that loving (who I believe to be) the Creator of the universe and the lonelyest and most misunderstood "being" who sacrificed his one and only Son's life just to save everyone who has faith in Him from an eternal death (hell) that is too horrific for even the sickest human mind to ever imagine (by having Him temporarly go there for us instead, taking the weight of the entire world's sins so that those who love Him will never have to), yields "rewards", or, blessings and a guide as I rather say it. The Christian faith believes that God is all-knowing and all-loving, that God is love, meaning that He has always known every single little detail of every single person's lives. I believe that He knows even before each of us are born whether or not we will ever accept Him. I believe that He has a plan for everyone who does, whenever they do, and that for those that do accept Him and really love Him will realize this plan. If it was something explainable with words, I could write a book each day on it. Do you see me attempting to share all of this though? I am only responding to your posts because of what you misunderstand about my faith and beliefs.
But anyway like I said, it's my personal belief, I was never attempted to force it on anyone. Had I not known that SPG was a Christian, I never would have even brought it up in the first place. It was meant for him, as the topic title asks for.
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Post by GreenFerret on Mar 28, 2006 0:29:57 GMT -5
i dont really consider my religion a "religion" . religion is something that is based on doing works to achive salvation so if you stop doing works you lose your salvation (supposedly in mans view) Religion is bad. I beleive that my "religion" is more of an encounter and relationship with God and that there is nothing related to works that has anything to do with where a person spends eternity. .......... Well, that little questionaire says a lot, and it sickens me. How can it be better to "believe" than to be a good person? Ick... I don't think I'd want to meet a God that is more concerned with preening and recieving praise for his "gifts" to mankind than with encouraging people to do their best to be kind to their fellow humans. Even when I considered myself a Christian, I believed that Christ's purpose was to help people live better lives... Not to have people ooo and ahhh at the mere fact of his coming. |
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Post by MrNice on Mar 28, 2006 0:30:25 GMT -5
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And last I just have to add how much I HATE insinuations that if you don't like it, you "don't get it." Whether it's religion or a special method of chattin' up the ladies, it's incredibly annoying, and indeed arrogant,to just assume that anyone who disagrees with what you believe just "doesn't understand."
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very well put
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Post by MrNice on Mar 28, 2006 0:35:38 GMT -5
finally I would like to add that it was indeed gods plan for me to make this post, and yes I consider thousands of things playing perfectly off one another to make me write exactly what I wrote here a little more then luck
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Post by scottydstno on Mar 28, 2006 0:36:57 GMT -5
I believe what I believe, and I am only defending my beliefs. Do you see me going around telling people they're going to hell? No, and neither one any lover of Christ. That is not for man to judge. He attacked my beliefs, and I am defending my opinion, it is as simple as that.
When did I say you didn't understand? And I never said him not understanding had anything at all to do with him not believing it. Just because he doesn't believe it doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. Being Christian is not a matter of whether or not you understand it, I've already pointed this out. He did not understand what I meant by "faith" in this situation, so I was talking to him specifically, and yes, a lot of people do not understand how in depth Christianity goes and why so many people believe in it, but whether or not you understand it has nothing to do with whether or not you believe it. You're jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes started by close-minded "Christians", which, is not all believers.
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Sometimes great things, even impossibly great things, just happen--probably just as often to people of no faith as to people with faith.