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Post by Crashtastic on Mar 28, 2006 16:09:35 GMT -5
I think my faith is why Im happier and more successful than most of you people here. i'm not criticizing anyone's faith, but i have to say...isn't it obvious to you yet that remarks like this one have an irritating effect on others? people who want to look for similarities between themselves and others rather than acting as a divisive influence can do so, regardless of their religious/spiritual beliefs. i think we would all benefit more on a board like this by stressing our commonalities and being supportive of each other. yeah...honestly SPG, that statement made me want to smack you around a little.  |
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Post by Tal on Mar 28, 2006 16:15:53 GMT -5
I should point out to anyone who thinks some God is punishing them for not being faithful (hehe), that it's also quite possible to be atheist, listen to 'satanic' music, look at porn, commit a plethora of 'sins' and still be generally happy and successful with girls.
Ultimately its your attitude, not your religion that makes a difference to your life. Be happy and positive through your own actions and beliefs (not necessarily religious ones) and you'll find success in some form or other.
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Post by scottydstno on Mar 28, 2006 16:23:41 GMT -5
For the record, since no one seems to have bothered to look, this is how this load of immature belief bashing got started:
My post, for SPG personally, because I know he is a Christian, and he asked for advice.
The responce:
I don't care how bad you think the advice is ... when he and I both share the same beliefs, that's just uncalled for people to start attacking one another based on what they believe in. If you don't want to believe it, good for you, I could care less, that post wasn't directed towards you. By saying that my advice, from one Christian to another, is as bad as it gets, is attacking my beliefs, just because you think that what we believe in it "nonsence". If you beleive something different, again, good for you, I don't care.
The only reason this debate was even started was because my personal beliefs were attacked, so of course I'm going to defend them, because what I believe in is what means most to me. I could care less what you think or it or what you believe in, I wasn't saying everyone has to or even should do this and that. This isn't a thread made for dating advice for whoever is having trouble (if someone else comes here for advice in a similar situation, like i said, they can just believe what they want), it was a thread made for a specific situation, and we both share the same beleifs, so it was completely valid to share my opinion. So don't tell me to "get over it" when it's YOU who started this trash and keep insulting what I believe in. I believe what I beleive, I really dont care what you all believe in, that's your choice, because everone is entitled to their own beleifs and opinions, and yet I'M the one being called arogant and close-minded here. The only reason anything was said that might even imply that of me is because I was defending attacks on my personal beliefs, so how about you grow up.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 28, 2006 16:32:06 GMT -5
just the sheer amount of times you said this suggests the opposite
lets see if you are going to say it again in this post, hehe
first of all, if you are talking to me, I didn't make the post you quoted
you are being arrogant in this very sentence
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Post by Sweet Pea on Mar 28, 2006 16:40:12 GMT -5
maybe we just need a mod to lock the thread and hope the animosity dies down.
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Post by GreenFerret on Mar 28, 2006 16:52:00 GMT -5
Oh come on... I don't see what's so bad about this thread. Is questioning religious conviction so off-limits even in this age? Even when these are the beliefs that drive much of the government of this nation? The thread's in "debates" now, so anyone participating is in a debate. If they don't want to debate, they need to step out of the thread.
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Post by sushiboat on Mar 28, 2006 17:03:07 GMT -5
Telling people to be passive and not go after what they want is bad advice.
If I were God, I would want you to use every tool I gave you, every ounce of strength in your body, every plan your intelligence can devise. As a God, I may give out freebies now and then, but people who keep asking for handouts while they ignore the gifts I've already given them will have their prayers automatically sent to the Junk mailbox.
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Post by Sweet Pea on Mar 28, 2006 17:04:04 GMT -5
no that's not the point. the point is when a thread digresses to escalating personal attacks it's no longer a debate but a free-for-all.
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Post by shypsychologyguy on Mar 28, 2006 17:13:24 GMT -5
i didnt say that to be arrogant it just seems like I have a totally diferent view on shyness and social anxiety and compared to most here i am usually very happy and optimistic. When i went to therapy i surprised my therapist with how well i was handling all the bad stuff that was going on in my life and its my presonal battle which in so many ways i have overcome that has lead me into wanting to be a psychologist.
what makes humans different from the animals and the angels is that we have a choice to love and worship God wheras creation and the angels were made without such a free will.
true love is when you willingly choose to give a person praise and control in your life.
you guys act as if we love God only because its either love God or go to hell.
honestly I love God because he loved me first and by mercy provided me an out from going to hell. I dont in any way feel limited in my life and in fact feel like God has given me a better life acording to his plan that is far more better than what my life would be without him.
I found God before this fall schoolyear and this is after coming to shy united for nearly a year, compared to one year ago im far more overcome and far happier.
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Post by MrNice on Mar 28, 2006 17:23:39 GMT -5
you make the assumption that it is impossible to have a better life without god
this is what is being disputed here
christianity does not hold monopoly on 'renewing of the mind'
it is possible to not be a christian and understand christian beliefs
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Post by GreenFerret on Mar 28, 2006 17:26:33 GMT -5
no that's not the point. the point is when a thread digresses to escalating personal attacks it's no longer a debate but a free-for-all. The worst "personal attacks" I've seen are people accusing one another of arrogance and maybe Lsdima getting sarcastic. I think that comes pretty standard in most debates. If we closed down every thread this happened in, there would be absolutely no point to a debate section at all; if things weren't expected to get a little heated they'd be called "discussions" and relegated to all the other sections we have discussions in. It was a bit sneaky to bring this thread here since it does open up the possibilities of responses that seem appropriate, but it is here now. |
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Post by sushiboat on Mar 28, 2006 17:27:06 GMT -5
what makes humans different from the animals and the angels is that we have a choice to love and worship God wheras creation and the angels were made without such a free will. So Lucifer didn't have free will? You are saying that Satan does what he does because that is exactly what God wants him to do. Interesting... kind of like the portrayal of Satan in Job. |
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Post by Sweet Pea on Mar 28, 2006 17:35:54 GMT -5
no that's not the point. the point is when a thread digresses to escalating personal attacks it's no longer a debate but a free-for-all. The worst "personal attacks" I've seen are people accusing one another of arrogance and maybe Lsdima getting sarcastic. I think that comes pretty standard in most debates. If we closed down every thread this happened in, there would be absolutely no point to a debate section at all; if things weren't expected to get a little heated they'd be called "discussions" and relegated to all the other sections we have discussions in. It was a bit sneaky to bring this thread here since it does open up the possibilities of responses that seem appropriate, but it is here now. well, like everyone else, i'm simply expressing my opinion. as are you.  |
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Post by blakey on Mar 28, 2006 17:57:04 GMT -5
yes it is selling snake oil thats why most christians out there are just as happy as non christians there is no advantages in christianity the advice to 'have faith' is just as good as the advice to 'just stop being shy' some people get it and some don't with a conclusion such as 'if it didn't happen then you didn't really have faith' this advice will only create more bitterness Hi lsdima Dont judge a Christian by what is on the outside, but by their actions. Once you accept God as your Lord and saviour you feel the everlasting love within you. I pray that you too will find this love one day, then you will be able to comment on the difference between christians and non. God Bless |
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Post by blakey on Mar 28, 2006 18:01:45 GMT -5
you are being arrogant in this very sentence No hes not, he has said that you can believe anything you want to believe and that he wont make an opinion about you for it. From Scottys posts he appears to be very open minded, It would be great to see a smiliar reponce from others of differnt belifs. |
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